Seems MPP dropped a new inverter...a split phase 10KW

[OffGridForGood]

Yeah that's why I didn't single out mpp solar and just said voltronics. Although mpp is not without issues either.

I don't disagree, they certainly have had some models that were better than other models.
Personally I never liked the LVX 6048 set up, and it had very high idle consumption.
I have been watching for a 12k (real 12kW output) that can be paired, and handle 500-600v PV strings.
I have a place where the 6048's can be re-purposed if I can find a pair of higher capacity inverters to give me closer to 24kW max output.
But I am not prepared to drop $11k to get there. My system is off grid and I don't need a lot of grid interactive features (and the cost of these) in an inverter.
I have pondered the MPP 11kW (240v single phase) with the idea of a transformer to provide the 120v loads, which in my case are the minority of the loads by far. Still watching and seeing what comes out, I am in no hurry, everything works.

 

[1201]

I think they are an OEM manufacturer (I’ve always understood that voltronics, SRNE, megarevo, deye, and luxpower (surely others still) were all unique entities with most rebrands based off any number of these)

No I remember Eddie at luxpowertek said the inverters are manufactured for them

 

[1201]

I don't disagree, they certainly have had some models that were better than other models.
Personally I never liked the LVX 6048 set up, and it had very high idle consumption.
I have been watching for a 12k (real 12kW output) that can be paired, and handle 500-600v PV strings.
I have a place where the 6048's can be re-purposed if I can find a pair of higher capacity inverters to give me closer to 24kW max output.
But I am not prepared to drop $11k to get there. My system is off grid and I don't need a lot of grid interactive features (and the cost of these) in an inverter.
I have pondered the MPP 11kW (240v single phase) with the idea of a transformer to provide the 120v loads, which in my case are the minority of the loads by far. Still watching and seeing what comes out, I am in no hurry, everything works.

4x 6000xps gives you your 24kw for $5600.
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[OffGridForGood]

4x 6000xps gives you your 24kw for $5600.
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What is the idle consumption on that model?

 

[1201]

What is the idle consumption on that model?

59w

 

[OffGridForGood]

4x 59 = 236W
I am at 225W now, LOL.

edit: Eric (product manager at MPP), just emailed back - the Standby draw on the new MPP 12K pv (10kW output) is "99W idle on battery per unit"
That would provide 20kW output with 198W idle draw

 

[1201]

4x 59 = 236W
I am at 225W now, LOL.

edit: Eric (product manager at MPP), just emailed back - the Standby draw on the new MPP 12K pv (10kW output) is "99W idle on battery per unit"
That would provide 20kW output with 198W idle draw

I mean, you're looking for 24kw of power! It ain't gonna be low, unless you buy sunny islands or quattros and those are $$$

 

[Lt.Dan]

I know a lot of other people dont share the same opinion as me, but its still too high of idle draw for my liking. The lower the better!

I'd rather pay 2x as much for better efficiency and lower idle consumption alone. I believe it pays for itself much faster than a cheaper inverter with more battery and more solar.

I learned this when I just had 2x LV6548, the 1st gen 250v models were only 62w each, but at 124w, I was constantly burning through battery on overcast days.

Now I have the same output, but only 60w of idle consumption, and higher efficiency!

 

[Zwy]

Yeah that's why I didn't single out mpp solar and just said voltronics. Although mpp is not without issues either.

18kpv is luxpower brand but nobody knows who builds it but it's certainly not voltronics

Those inverters still worked, he was wanting communication with batteries and a host of other things. These units were designed and built when
BMS/inverter communication was in it's infancy. Basically he wanted something to update his inverters for communication protocols the units weren't designed for.

He tells you right in the video these still work. Personally I think it is more of a publicity stunt to promote his move to 6000XP's and the affiliate links he will get paid for.

I commented that I would gladly take these inverters and how I used the EG4 MPPT's to be able to use higher voltage PV but he deleted it.

Things are not always what they might seem when it comes to marketing, influencers and affiliations. Very few will run their channel like I run mine without those factors influencing the videos. I won't monetize my channel, it is there to just share ideas about what I did on my systems in a video format as forums like this can't always convey the idea well. I don't need fancy production, a script and affiliations to keep it going.

 

[Zwy]

I know a lot of other people dont share the same opinion as me, but its still too high of idle draw for my liking. The lower the better!

I'd rather pay 2x as much for better efficiency and lower idle consumption alone. I believe it pays for itself much faster than a cheaper inverter with more battery and more solar.

I learned this when I just had 2x LV6548, the 1st gen 250v models were only 62w each, but at 124w, I was constantly burning through battery on overcast days.

Now I have the same output, but only 60w of idle consumption, and higher efficiency!

I have loads constantly, my units never really idle..........

I consider it part of the cost to invert power.

 

[1201]

Those inverters still worked, he was wanting communication with batteries and a host of other things. These units were designed and built when
BMS/inverter communication was in it's infancy. Basically he wanted something to update his inverters for communication protocols the units weren't designed for.

He tells you right in the video these still work. Personally I think it is more of a publicity stunt to promote his move to 6000XP's and the affiliate links he will get paid for.

I commented that I would gladly take these inverters and how I used the EG4 MPPT's to be able to use higher voltage PV but he deleted it.

Things are not always what they might seem when it comes to marketing, influencers and affiliations. Very few will run their channel like I run mine without those factors influencing the videos. I won't monetize my channel, it is there to just share ideas about what I did on my systems in a video format as forums like this can't always convey the idea well. I don't need fancy production, a script and affiliations to keep it going.

your'e right. they still work, the older ones. my point is, people are not buying voltronics any longer.

 

[Kornbread]

I don't believe luxpowertek is a manufacturer. Their inverters are built for them by another company

UL certificate on the GSL-H-12KLV-US says manufactured by Shenzhen Sea Star Industry Co., Ltd. and the GSL12k/Lux12k/eg4 18k are supposedly sisters. It also appears SigSolar admits the eg4 18k is not manufactured by Lux.

 

[Quattrohead]

UL certificate on the GSL-H-12KLV-US says manufactured by Shenzhen Sea Star Industry Co., Ltd. and the GSL12k/Lux12k/eg4 18k are supposedly sisters. It also appears SigSolar admits the eg4 18k is not manufactured by Lux.

None of this really matters, just run them and see what you think....TANKS

 

[AZ Solar Junkie]

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[1201]

UL certificate on the GSL-H-12KLV-US says manufactured by Shenzhen Sea Star Industry Co., Ltd. and the GSL12k/Lux12k/eg4 18k are supposedly sisters. It also appears SigSolar admits the eg4 18k is not manufactured by Lux.

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Nice. I've also seen where Eddie flat out said luxpowertek was not the manufacturer.

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Kornbread just posted it above. Shenzhen sea star

 

[HighTechLab]

He tells you right in the video these still work. Personally I think it is more of a publicity stunt to promote his move to 6000XP's and the affiliate links he will get paid for.

For the record, he would not accept sponsored units and bought those units with his own money at full retail price. Frankly, affiliate commissions aren't what some think it is and it's hard to actually profit if you are forking out the money for the gear, unless you go full-shill-mode which LithiumSolar doesn't do.

 

[1201]

For the record, he would not accept sponsored units and bought those units with his own money at full retail price. Frankly, affiliate commissions aren't what some think it is and it's hard to actually profit if you are forking out the money for the gear, unless you go full-shill-mode which LithiumSolar doesn't do.

Wow. That's amazing. He just earned a new subscriber in me - I don't like the channels where they go "full shill mode"

 

[Samsonite801]

your'e right. they still work, the older ones. my point is, people are not buying voltronics any longer.

One of the reasons people are gravitating towards the Luxpower Tek inverters now is because (similar to the SolArks) you can save on the costs of buying all the breakers/boxes, PV disconnect etc (without the extra cost of a SolArk).. Installation is simpler/cheaper in this way. Also it seemed people didn't really like the poor phone app, or the lack of comms support for their battery selection.

 

[Zwy]

For the record, he would not accept sponsored units and bought those units with his own money at full retail price. Frankly, affiliate commissions aren't what some think it is and it's hard to actually profit if you are forking out the money for the gear, unless you go full-shill-mode which LithiumSolar doesn't do.

I would assume even if he purchases with his own money when he installs the 6000XP's that if he has an affiliate link in the description he will earn something.

But yes, he is not full shill mode. I'll skip those pretty quick.

 

[Zwy]

your'e right. they still work, the older ones. my point is, people are not buying voltronics any longer.

I would not dismiss Voltronic just yet. Tech moved and things changed, features added on any newer competitive units. Whether they adjust and engineer something with added bells and whistles remains to be seen. I would consider Voltronic again but the changes around the time of the EG4 version left a bad taste. The low PV voltage LV6548's I use in the house have worked flawlessly, dependable, no issues like the EG4 versions. The 6500EX hurt Voltronic, maybe it was all their own fault but EG4 should have tested more before release.

This latest release might be an excellent product for AC coupling with the 15Kw output. That's 30Kw with a pair. At the price point, it might be a good option. Even if these last only 5 years, as tech advances on solar systems and more products come out, it might be a good option to allow updating equipment to the latest tech and features economically. Think of the changes just in the last 3 years.