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Feast or Famine, The off grid solar dilemma.

That's one of my loads during autumn, drying mushrooms, etc.:


Or apples:

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I'm still shopping for one of those but I need it to dry tobacco :)

I make my own cigarettes and sometimes the humidity is too high and it needs drying some. The problem is the grids on all of the ones I have found are to large to keep the tobacco from falling thru.
 
Make bio-diesel. See if you can find a small, local restaurant that has waste vegetable oil. Add methanol (or ethanol) and potassium hydroxide, warm up to 60C, let it settle. You can run the diesel generator on that in winter.

Takes me back, my dad got into biofuels very early, made it years and years in back garden , the mess! Stinky old sloppy rancid veg oil , glycerin


It was great we had free motoring all my childhood but wow did it stink. Especially bad when he was making with animal fat
 
Make bio-diesel. See if you can find a small, local restaurant that has waste vegetable oil. Add methanol (or ethanol) and potassium hydroxide, warm up to 60C, let it settle. You can run the diesel generator on that in winter.
Well that used to be the cool idea. By now all of the bio people have contracts with the restaurants so finding "waste" oil isn't so easy. I have diesel trucks and tractors but I don't use the bio stuff since I never know what time of year I'm going to use my diesels and bio diesel sucks during the winter.

The reason I know of the problems getting the waste oil is my friends that do run veggie diesel as the call it are complaining all the time with it being hard to get. The restaurants don't care who gets it but they choose people that will do a contract because those people want the waste oil in large quantities and will pick it up reliably. Single users wanting some in small quantities leave the restaurants in a bind when they don't pickup enough.
 
Well that used to be the cool idea. By now all of the bio people have contracts with the restaurants so finding "waste" oil isn't so easy. I have diesel trucks and tractors but I don't use the bio stuff since I never know what time of year I'm going to use my diesels and bio diesel sucks during the winter.

Never struggled to get waste veg oil , especially if you're willing to pay for it

, get on the phone, get knocking doors , it's out there . Anyone who's telling you it's hard to find just isn't putting the effort it !


Winter is a problem if it gets cold there , you can always cut with 5/10%petrol (gas) to thin it out
 
Never struggled to get waste veg oil , especially if you're willing to pay for it

, get on the phone, get knocking doors , it's out there . Anyone who's telling you it's hard to find just isn't putting the effort it !


Winter is a problem if it gets cold there , you can always cut with 5/10%petrol (gas) to thin it out
It's different in united states. We by and large don't have a good recycling system but the restaurants still have to dispose of the waste oil on a regular basis. If they can't get someone to get it they have to pay to have it disposed of. Its tricky. The more rural the areas the harder it is to get rid of it for them reliably. Dumping it is frowned on and a royal pain for them on a regular basis. Finding someone that will contract with them aka free makes it a dream for them.

But for small time users its harder for them to find because of the deals they setup. Also in rural areas there a far less restaurants per mile. So basically more farmers and stuff wanting it and less supply.
 
I'm going to get one of the diesel oil heaters for my garage for this winter. They seem to be very popular in the uk from the youtube vids Ive watched. I had though of the veggie oil to use in them but from what I've read it cokes up the inside of the heater so I guess I will stick with diesel.
 
It's different in united states. We by and large don't have a good recycling system but the restaurants still have to dispose of the waste oil on a regular basis. If they can't get someone to get it they have to pay to have it disposed of. Its tricky. The more rural the areas the harder it is to get rid of it for them reliably. Dumping it is frowned on and a royal pain for them on a regular basis. Finding someone that will contract with them aka free makes it a dream for them.

But for small time users its harder for them to find because of the deals they setup. Also in rural areas there a far less restaurants per mile. So basically more farmers and stuff wanting it and less supply.

I thought deep fried food is REALLY popular in the states ?

I guess we don't know the meaning of out in the sticks lol , I live what is considered very rurally in the UK .... Within 20mins drive I've got 20 shops , hardware stores, restaurants, cafes, fast food places, a small airport . It's hard to imagine just how big America is

I'm going to get one of the diesel oil heaters for my garage for this winter. They seem to be very popular in the uk from the youtube vids Ive watched. I had though of the veggie oil to use in them but from what I've read it cokes up the inside of the heater so I guess I will stick with diesel.

Great fun they work best on kerosene (heating oil ?? ) not sure what you call it


Have you seen the afterburner controller the guy from Australia makes , well worth the money
 
The one I'm going with is $120 and looks easy to install. I figure at that price I can't really go wrong since if it doesn't work out I don't have much money in it.
 
The one I'm going with is $120 and looks easy to install. I figure at that price I can't really go wrong since if it doesn't work out I don't have much money in it.
I have one for my back-up-heating system (wood pellet furnace is primary heating) in the part of the shop where I have my LiFePO4 batteries.
The diesel heaters do work well, but I can't recommend running bio-diesel or mixed diesel/motor oil etc. As you say, they clog up and although you can take them apart for cleaning, it is not a fun job.
I set my diesel heater connected to a rack of car batteries that charge on a separate single solar panel (mounted to the exterior shop wall) with a cheap SCC. This way I have power for the diesel heater independant of the main solar (48V) system and not relying on the grid either.
These heaters are pretty efficient, but, at the price of diesel/home heating oil, they still burn through a lot of $$ per day. I would suggest best used as a back up /occational system.
 
I have one for my back-up-heating system (wood pellet furnace is primary heating) in the part of the shop where I have my LiFePO4 batteries.
The diesel heaters do work well, but I can't recommend running bio-diesel or mixed diesel/motor oil etc. As you say, they clog up and although you can take them apart for cleaning, it is not a fun job.
I set my diesel heater connected to a rack of car batteries that charge on a separate single solar panel (mounted to the exterior shop wall) with a cheap SCC. This way I have power for the diesel heater independant of the main solar (48V) system and not relying on the grid either.
These heaters are pretty efficient, but, at the price of diesel/home heating oil, they still burn through a lot of $$ per day. I would suggest best used as a back up /occational system.
Its for the garage and won't be used unless I need to work on something in the garage during the winter.
 
Sadly our house was built in the 80s by a "builder" who built to spec, not a penny more. Have been spending time updating things, electrical, etc to be up to proper spec.

In a different time in my life, knowing what I know now, would love to start over and utilize some the the design gems shared by others up north and overseas. As it is, my wife loves it here....

One positive is that we do have some trees that provide some shading. Another positive in my book is that it is a split level home. There was a love hate relationship with this design and it is no longer made. Positives in my book are multiple "living" levels and a natural chimney effect for heat when the wood stove is on. Family room where most of the time is spent is very comfortable. Bedrooms are cooler in winter which just like we like it.

Summer is less than ideal. Have whole house AC and the compressor is on the north shaded side of the house which has some benefits. Wondering if a mini split would have advantages.
 
Best ideas I think ill pursue for using the extra PV are:
A/C
Food Dehydrator / Freeze Drier (surprised no one has mentioned that yet in this thread, unless I missed it).
We've talked about putting the freeze drier on solar but in our case we aren't using it that much anymore. We've been freeze drying for I think four years ("we" being mostly my wife) so now it seems to be during garden harvest for a few runs and the occasional batch of skittles or some other treat that the grandkids love. The thing is a kw hog and the cycles are often 48 hours or more so there's a good chance it could push me into bypass at night. That's not in itself a concern but I've had a few things flicker when I go to bypass and if the FD shuts down over that then you're stuck with starting the cycle all over again or worse. Just not worth it to save a couple dollars in power usage. But that's just me. I'm not even suggesting I'm right about it.

The dehydrator, on the other hand, is not a bad idea at all. We have one but haven't used it since we got the freeze dryer but we've talked about some applications where it might actually be better. I'm going put that on my maybe list. Good suggestion.
 
I'm still shopping for one of those but I need it to dry tobacco :)

I make my own cigarettes and sometimes the humidity is too high and it needs drying some. The problem is the grids on all of the ones I have found are to large to keep the tobacco from falling thru.
Could you put something like metal window screen on the racks? I know nothing about making cigarettes but it's something I've thought about many times.
 
Summer is less than ideal. Have whole house AC and the compressor is on the north shaded side of the house which has some benefits. Wondering if a mini split would have advantages.
Are you talking about replacing the existing unit or augmenting? We replaced ours but the old units were 11 years old and not high end to start with. We were looking at a fireplace install that was going to run over $20k so we switched gears and looked at replacing the old heat pumps with something more efficient which could also heat without the use of heat strips. We were going to have to replace the AC units anyway within the next few years if not sooner so we called that a win. But we did replace them with mini split technology condenser units paired with matched air handlers so it's not mini-splits per se, but it's using the same tech. We've been VERY happy with them so far. I did add a mini split on the garage to keep the inverters cool and it has worked well so far too. I think for you part of it is going to come down to how efficient is your existing unit - if it's 14 SEER or below you'll see a significant improvement even if you go with a standard split unit.

What I've seen so far on the upgraded heat pumps -
  • Reduced power consumption - I don't have hard numbers but it's obvious looking at historical data that we're using quite a bit less
  • MUCH quieter. The units are on the same side of the house as the bedrooms. Before it was loud and in the hottest part of summer they ran for hours at a time. Now you can't hear them at all. I mean, even going outside and standing by them you can barely hear them.
  • More even temps in the house. It was always hot and cold before. With these units the blowers run most if not all the time but at a very low speed. The temps are consistent day and night in every room. Also don't have the hot and cold spots we had before, especially if you were sitting under a vent.
  • Better humidity control. Once again I don't have hard numbers because the old thermostats didn't even have humidity readings, but it's noticeable how consistent it remains even when it's raining.
My 2 cents, FWIW.
 
First step would likely be to augment with a single unit. What unit have you liked? Perhaps this could be in communication so I don’t sidetrack this thread.
 
Over 30 years off grid, not by choice when I started...

You used to have 2 HUGE issues, now it's down to 1.

Storage (batteries) were inefficient, expensive, short lived and constant maintiance.

That has mostly changed with Lithium. Not nearly the maintiance, much longer lived, much more efficient, but the cost is still up there.

The #1 issue I had was winter.
Short peak sun hours, overcast days etc.
You can't use or store what you can't produce.

No such thing as too many panels/over production, you MUST produce enough to operate on winter days or fill in the shortfall with other means.

You can't worry about 'Over Production' on longer, more direct sun days in summer. It's not 'LOSSES' when you simply can't use it.

Off grid, storage (batteries) are a close #2.
Unless you have 'Backup', which defeats the purpose of having solar PV, you will need at least a day or two minimum of storage. No sun days DO happen, and you need reserve storage capacity.

#3 on the list is REDUNDANCY.
Off grid, it's just YOU.

One BIG battery is fine for backup, but completely off grid batteries (plural) En Bank provide redundancy in the event of a failure.

Panel strings with charge controller for each battery is redundancy. Panel string or charge controller (ability to charge) can fail, you are redundant.

People talk about system, line losses. This small loss is INSURANCE you don't sit in the dark and the beer/bologna stays cold.

Off grid, MODULAR instead of combined units are a good way to go,
OR,
Chargers/inverters in parallel.

When (not *IF*) a combined unit fails, you will quickly learn about warrenty, repair times, parts availability, etc. Your inverter AND charger goes off to be serviced... Again, without redundancy you sit in the dark while the beer & bologna gets warm.

with redundancy you have reduced power.
The key part of that sentence is "You Have..."

If you built your own off grid system, you have the skills to add components in parallel with transfer switches.
Spare parts are always more useful when you flip a switch to activate them rather than having them on a shelf somewhere.
Flip the switches, remove failed components, plenty of time to get that serviced or replaced while up and running.

A capable DIY off grid system will cost about the same as an econo-box car, but last up to 30 years (so far).
Room for expansion if needed is the key.
For the cost of that econo-box you will have enough reserve to get through a few days without sun, be redundant, have enough production to charge on the shortest sunny day, etc.

In a full on, SHTF, grid down for weeks or longer.
See east coast ice storms, hurricanes, big tornado outbreaks, or just some moron that can't flip the switches correctly at a power plant/sub station...

Panels and batteries don't care.
DC power IS STILL POWER.
It's work you don't have to manually do, it's transportation, and it's refrigeration you can't do manually.

When was the last time you saw a hand cranked refrigerator?
 
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