Prepping for impending grid outage

JWLV said:

My uncle was a doctor and the director for the Red Cross in his town. He worked countless hours in the last 3 years to help people who were afflicted with covid. His wife complained to me several times that he works way too much and only comes home to sleep. He worked from 6am to 10pm, 7 days a week. He didn't work so many hours because the hospital was empty. It was full and overflowing. She worried tremendously about him and rightfully so. And his thanks for all the sacrifice? People who say he did it all for nothing. He died last year from covid. He's the youngest of all of my uncles. All of his older brothers and sisters are still alive. He should not have died. But he died saving people, even people who didn't want to be saved or deserved to be saved. I'm not as nice a guy as my uncle. I would not have done the same.

It really sickens me to hear people who suggest that my uncle who dedicated his life to help people and gave up his life in doing so that he didn't have to do it at all because it was all fake.

Q-Dog said:

They drowned in their own fluids ... struggling to breathe for over a week through lungs filled with mucus and puss, as their families watched them through a window in the ER

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Because the doctors were forbidden to treat as they desired they could only put patient on ventilator and wait for the vaccine, which would make Big Pharma rich

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JWLV said:

I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. You believe what you want to believe. As I said, I'm not as nice a guy. I will not have sympathy for people who do not deserve it.

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With regards to power in a prolonged grid down scenario, some people are saying that many secondary utilities will no longer be available. My primary emergency backup power is batteries and an inverter, but I also have a tri-fuel generator for recharging. I have natural gas to the property and as far as I am aware, we have never lost the natural gas. Wouldn't the natural gas distribution systems have backup generators running on.....natural gas?

NC_hydro said:

Actually hydrogen bombs of this area don’t have the fallout like you are thinking of. Of course some backwater country that’s just got into the nuclear game would. But for example Russian nukes are the more powerful hydrogen bomb, devastating but minimal fallout. Neil Degrasse Tyson talks about this.

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Hydrogen bombs are primarily fission devices.
Small fission primary implodes the secondary, triggering D-T fusion and releasing gamma and 12 MeV neutrons.
By having a cylindrical shell of uranium (depleted works fine) around the secondary, those neutrons cause fission, releasing most of the energy of the device. The more uranium, the more energy, and the dirtier the fallout due to less complete fission.

If the uranium shell is thinner, more complete fission, less harmful substances remain, more fusion neutrons get through without interacting.

The neutrons of an H-bomb were seen as useful because they could penetrate steel armor of tanks which would otherwise protect the crew.

The soft X-rays from fission don't even penetrate air very far before being absorbed; that is what heats the air, causing it to expand producing shock wave and wind that blows things over. The primary destructive force.

The Soviet "Tsar Bomba" could have been 100 megaton but would have had extensive fallout. Instead it had lead not uranium shell and was 50 megaton. The EMP from it interacted with an underground cable and caused a fire at a power plant. The radiation from explosion reached the air crew that dropped it, causing their later death.

DIYrich said:

The USA death rate increased from 2.85 in 2019 pre-covid to 3.04 in 2020 the first year of covid pre vaccine. In 2021-2022, the death rate continued to climb to 3.44 (high vaccine use years), and in 2023 declined to 3.15 (people no longer getting the vaccine).

While covid itself has an affect, it is not unreasonable to ask the question if vaccines helped or hurt.

Births Now Outpacing Deaths in Over Half the States

New population estimates show that 19 states had more deaths than births in 2023, down from 25 in 2022.

www.census.gov

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Danke said:

Didn’t the staff put them on ventilators?

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Ventilators patients have an extremely high death rate % with long term use…

My father died by drowning in his chest fluids 10 years ago..it’s called emphysema..
My father in law died by drowning in his chest fluids 15 years ago ..it’s called pneumonia .
My granny died 20 years ago the same way..from a strain of the flue at 85..

10’s of thousand of people die every year this way…they always have. Nothings new.

J.

Danke said:

Didn’t the staff put them on ventilators?

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Ventilators don't help if the lungs can't pass the oxygen (filled with mucus). That's why measuring O2 levels is one sign to watch for with Covid.

Hedges said:

Hydrogen bombs are primarily fission devices.

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primarily "fusion" devices. The Fission is like a detonator for the main Fusion explosive.

I'm not saying that the Fission isn't big. I'm saying the energy of the Fusion is a multiple of the energy of the Fission.

DIYrich said:

primarily "fusion" devices. The Fission is like a detonator for the main Fusion explosive.

I'm not saying that the Fission isn't big. I'm saying the energy of the Fusion is a multiple of the energy of the Fission.

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The energy released from a fusion bomb, in most cases, is primarily from fission.
Yes the fusion stage is larger than the fission primary.
But when the fusion secondary is wrapped in a uranium case, that is fissioned and releases the largest amount of energy.


"Fast fission of the tamper and radiation case is the main contribution to the total yield and is the dominant process that produces radioactive fission product fallout."

D-T fusion releases 17.6 MeV


U235 fission releases 202.79 MeV on average


"The fission of 235U by a slow neutron yields nearly identical energy to the fission of 238U by a fast neutron."

I don't know what fraction of fast neutrons interact, or if they split more than one uranium atom.

JRH said:

Ventilators patients have an extremely high death rate % with long term use…

My father died by drowning in his chest fluids 10 years ago..it’s called emphysema..
My father in law died by drowning in his chest fluids 15 years ago ..it’s called pneumonia .
My granny died 20 years ago the same way..from a strain of the flue at 85..

10’s of thousand of people die every year this way…they always have. Nothings new.

J.

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So is that a yes or no?

Browse said:

I have natural gas to the property and as far as I am aware, we have never lost the natural gas. Wouldn't the natural gas distribution systems have backup generators running on.....natural gas?

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Port St Lucie in Florida lost gas to a substantial part of the city for a week because a vehicle crashed off I95 right into the gas sub station.
Obviously Florida is not a high natural gas use state so it took them a few days to get it squared away again.

The the best of my knowledge the power supplies for the natural gas compressors is engines running on natural gas.

Danke said:

So is that a yes or no?

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Theres several opposing sides to your question…..ventilators serve a good purpose at times, sometimes they can contribute to harmful effects…sometimes they can’t be used ..sometimes they are refused by patients..in my family members situations it wouldn’t helped anything except extend their dying.
My whole surviving adult family are life long Drs , nurses and medical people… all 5 of them..ages 40 to 75 …
Everyone but me..
the stuff they have seen and dealt with on the inside in the last 4 years is mind blowing to listen to..
I have no desire to enter that whole topic….no one ever wins or changes their mind anyway..

I have been aware for many years of how things work and don’t work in the medical field ..it has become many things it did not used to be….I’m not going to go into the “ why” here in this forum but most of the money spent on most patients is made the last few months of their life…

The days of Marcus Welby MD no longer exist as the norm.

With that said , I wish everyone good health and good luck.

J.

SparkyJJO said:

I Avoided the vax because it was untested (except on the populace). Glad I did. I don't need any nasty clots or other nasty side-effects caused by my body now seeing itself as the source of the virus. Brilliant idea to give your body some blueprints how to manufacture something bad, and then the body goes hey that is where the bad stuff comes from, get it!

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That's how all vaccines work.

Yes I got COVID. Yeah, it sucked. It was like the horrible flu I had back in college. Felt like I got run over, 103 fever, just totally blah.

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Sounds like it did suck. Glad you made it through OK.

I was vaccinated and I got a later strain of COVID. It gave me a mild fever for a day, and it was over. Glad I was vaccinated when I went through that.

nc73 said:

Yeah what's to discuss? Buy as many panels and batteries as you can afford and some off grid inverters. Hook it all up. A generator is probably cheaper than spending huge amounts of money for a day that may never come.

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Yeah, for people like myself (off-grid folks), being your own power company is normal daily life.

My best advice to people living in the city, and what I would do too if I still lived in the city, is just to basically build an off-grid system, cut the cord to the grid for the most part, just pretend the grid is same like a generator source, one to use only in dire last resort (because it costs money), and practice not using it 100% of the time, but just leave it there as an option on the table, not relying on it...

Use grid only in dire need, and for battery charging only (just to keep your uptime if necessary, keep the wife and family happy), learn to root-cause failures (times when you needed to charge batteries from grid or generator), continue forward to build solar, wind, and battery systems more robust), as you progress.

pvdude said:

So I'm buying one of those "Starlink" contraptions, reasoning that somewhere on the planet,
there will be a functioning net.
Starlink and a 1951 HF tube-type receiver will keep me connected to the world, I hope.

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I use Starlink today, it is great for sure... The main concern I have is about the low Earth orbit satellites, is all the space junk and the likelyhood of a Kessler Syndrome, all of the space junk depleting orbit will pose great risk to satellites of lower orbit. Not to mention the Starlink requires a team of navigators to maintain its full constellation to keep them all in synchronous order, so if we ever lost the ground crew in charge of steering around all those satellites in an orderly way, that could speed up the Kessler Syndrome into full effect.

So keep Ham around is a good Plan B hehe...

DIYrich said:

You don't need an attack. Covid showed us that. If covid was more deadly, then society collapse would have been a possibility, and grid fails for lack of operators, maintenance, and fuel deliveries.

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See South Africa and Venezuela. It doesn't take any external threat. If you have mismanagement and corruption for enough years eventually things fall apart. We are heading that way. The USA is far from the country I grew up in. How long do we have left? I have no clue, but in the country I grew up in, we didn't need a poop tracker app to navigate San Francisco.

NC_hydro said:

Actually hydrogen bombs of this area don’t have the fallout like you are thinking of. Of course some backwater country that’s just got into the nuclear game would. But for example Russian nukes are the more powerful hydrogen bomb, devastating but minimal fallout. Neil Degrasse Tyson talks about this.

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Thats great news. Nothing to worry about now. Bring it on!

billvon said:

That's how all vaccines work.

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Not really. They identify the virus in your system (and normal vaccines typically use a "dead" or otherwise mostly disabled virus for this), map it out, and create T-cells or whatever that will go after it. What mRNA does is not expose your system to the virus at all. What it does is present the blueprints to actually manufacture part of the virus (in this case, the spike protein), which then your body identifies, and creates T-cells, and destroys. Problem is, there are thousands of cases where after shot 2 the person suddenly died of cardiac or other organ failure, or developed an autoimmune disorder, etc. Why? Presumably, the body the second time around identified whatever organ that got involved in manufacturing the spikes by the mRNA as the source of the spike proteins, and attacked it not just the spike proteins. Results not pretty.

Other issues have involved horrific looking blood clots clogging up stuff and killing people that way. One theory where they come from is too many spike proteins are manufactured (some doses of the shots were stronger, had more mRNA in it, etc - they were not all the same), and they would end up essentially damage stuff like little blades soaring through your system and collect tons of platelets or whatever else that was trying to fix it up and create nasty clots.

There's other thoughts on this stuff too by smarter people than me. Dr Malone is a pioneer in mRNA and can tell you all about the problems with its use.

billvon said:

Sounds like it did suck. Glad you made it through OK.

I was vaccinated and I got a later strain of COVID. It gave me a mild fever for a day, and it was over. Glad I was vaccinated when I went through that.

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It very well may have been the reason that you had only a mild case. Entirely possible. But I know of people who got COVID and had similar mild symptoms, and they weren't vaccinated at all. I wouldn't quickly attribute your vaccine for that. Besides, a vaccine is supposed to prevent you from getting something - well that is until they decided to change the definition since their fancy new mRNA vaccine wasn't meeting the original definition used for decades.

SparkyJJO said:

Not really. They identify the virus in your system (and normal vaccines typically use a "dead" or otherwise mostly disabled virus for this), map it out, and create T-cells or whatever that will go after it. What mRNA does is not expose your system to the virus at all. What it does is present the blueprints to actually manufacture part of the virus (in this case, the spike protein), which then your body identifies, and creates T-cells, and destroys. Problem is, there are thousands of cases where after shot 2 the person suddenly died of cardiac or other organ failure, or developed an autoimmune disorder, etc. Why? Presumably, the body the second time around identified whatever organ that got involved in manufacturing the spikes by the mRNA as the source of the spike proteins, and attacked it not just the spike proteins. Results not pretty.

Other issues have involved horrific looking blood clots clogging up stuff and killing people that way. One theory where they come from is too many spike proteins are manufactured (some doses of the shots were stronger, had more mRNA in it, etc - they were not all the same), and they would end up essentially damage stuff like little blades soaring through your system and collect tons of platelets or whatever else that was trying to fix it up and create nasty clots.

There's other thoughts on this stuff too by smarter people than me. Dr Malone is a pioneer in mRNA and can tell you all about the problems with its use.



It very well may have been the reason that you had only a mild case. Entirely possible. But I know of people who got COVID and had similar mild symptoms, and they weren't vaccinated at all. I wouldn't quickly attribute your vaccine for that.

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Messenger Ribonucleic Acid (mRNA) is to put it simply, a recipe for a cell to produce a protein. This process goes on all the time in your body, however the mRNA produced by your body is derived and directly related to your DNA.
The mRNA being injected by the vaccine has no relationship your DNA and therefore the manufacturer had to hide and disguise it to get past your bodies immune system and to also fool the cell into accepting it.
One of the mechanisms to disguise the mRNA was to wrap it in lipids (fatty acids) and in many cases the bad reactions (Myocardial lipid accumulation and lipotoxicity in heart failure) were caused by or traced to the lipids used.

There is evidence that the vaccine also contains dna contaminants (see Florida lawsuit).