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Haze said:
I have multiple big rigs that the state considers illegal, they allow us to keep and use them they just limit the miles. This is the same rules for our heavy equipment fleet. Although the majority of our equipment is Teir 4 , some of it is old and non compliant but it’s on the low use list and can be used legally indefinitely in the state.

I just purchased half a dozen gas powered chain saws last week, also a new riding lawnmower. Not sure about this gas powered ban you’re talking about. The majority of the bans they talk about on the news aren’t truly a ban and there are so many loopholes they never really matter.

I live in CA and I’ve never seen a zero emissions zone.
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Yep just like the asbestos and leaded gasoline I was talking about
asbestos was legal until a few months ago
leaded gasoline is still used today.

These bans they're worried about will actually happen in 100 years and they will all be dead, no reason to worry.
 
gotbeans said:
Yep just like the asbestos and leaded gasoline I was talking about
asbestos was legal until a few months ago
leaded gasoline is still used today.

These bans they're worried about will actually happen in 100 years and they will all be dead, no reason to worry.
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They are happening. They exist now.

Let me sum up your mentality in simple terms.

"It's not happening, conspiracy theorist"

"It might happen but it won't affect me!"

"Of course they are banning it because its a good thing!"
 
SparkyJJO said:
What is with this bizarre idea that we need to make this cost more? Like, why do you think we should have higher taxes so people feel more forced to do what you want? Why do you want to control people so bad?

Want an EV? Fine, ger one. But don't try to force your neighbors and total strangers into nuying one!

Dang it man I'll never understand why some people want to control other people's lives so much! 😡
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I want to reduce the federal deficit. Freedom to pollute has a cost. It would be appropriate for the polluters to pay society's cost.
Where does it stop? Should we allow industrial waste to be dumped in the rivers again? What else?
 
MTM98290 said:
They are happening. They exist now.

Let me sum up your mentality in simple terms.

"It's not happening, conspiracy theorist"

"It might happen but it won't affect me!"

"Of course they are banning it because its a good thing!"
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I said they were happening already...
You will be dead by the time what you're worried about will happen, so stop worrying & dry your tears.

time2roll said:
Where does it stop? Should we allow industrial waste to be dumped in the rivers again? What else?
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yes, haven't you heard all of the movement to abolish the EPA?
Why wouldn't you want oil filled rivers again? Reagan was a mistake, should have never let the EPA happen
 
Ampster said:
I have taken one cross country trip an several dozen trips up and down the California Coast in eight years and the cost per mile was significantly less than if I had done it it a gasoline car. I had one that had 115,000 miles on it and I never had to change the oil or do the brakes. I bought tires and two 12 volt batteries. I do not know where you are getting your numbers but that has not been my experience. I am not trying to change your mind, I just want other readers to see another viewpoint so they can make up their mind based on realistic assumptions.
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He/she has no numbers and is stating an opinion. I'm certainly not confining myself to short trips or charging only at home, and I'm saving a bundle.
 
Haze said:
I have multiple big rigs that the state considers illegal, they allow us to keep and use them they just limit the miles. This is the same rules for our heavy equipment fleet. Although the majority of our equipment is Teir 4 , some of it is old and non compliant but it’s on the low use list and can be used legally indefinitely in the state.

I just purchased half a dozen gas powered chain saws last week, also a new riding lawnmower. Not sure about this gas powered ban you’re talking about. The majority of the bans they talk about on the news aren’t truly a ban and there are so many loopholes they never really matter.

I live in CA and I’ve never seen a zero emissions zone.
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1. January 1, 2024, California Assembly Bill 1346 took effect, banning the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers, lawn mowers and other small off-road engines across the Golden State.

2. https://laincubator.org/zedz/

https://autos.yahoo.com/report-california-looking-restrict-travel-120000026.html

3. Effective January 2023, diesel-fueled vehicles model years 2010 and older, with a gross vehicle weight rating of 14,000-pounds or greater, are banned from the Golden State's highways.
 
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time2roll said:
I want to reduce the federal deficit. Freedom to pollute has a cost. It would be appropriate for the polluters to pay society's cost.
Where does it stop? Should we allow industrial waste to be dumped in the rivers again? What else?
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Quite the weak strawman you have there. Nobody wants pollution and poisoned rivers.

How do you determine pollution? What about an Ev is less polluting than an ICE?

Co2 is not industrial waste it is an essential part of the life cycle.

The EPA allows poison of drinking water with Industrial waste. It is called flouride.

We are told to give up prosperity to the false idol of CO2 induced climate change, but not to be concerned about real environmental issues that DO matter.
 
Danke said:
Many analysts eagerly tout the carbon savings from displaced fossil fuels without adequately accounting for the battery’s increased energy consumption. Once these adjustments are made, most, if not all, of the EV’s carbon advantage disappears.
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And many do include the energy consumption and emissions from the battery.

The IEA published this years ago:

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www.iea.org

Comparative life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions of a mid-size BEV and ICE vehicle – Charts – Data & Statistics - IEA

Comparative life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions of a mid-size BEV and ICE vehicle - Chart and data by the International Energy Agency.
www.iea.org www.iea.org

Yep, manufacture of EVs requires more energy and emissions than ICEVs. But the extra is far outweighed by the much lower emissions required to operate the vehicle.
 
green mountain boys said:
1. January 1, 2024, California Assembly Bill 1346 took effect, banning the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers, lawn mowers and other small off-road engines across the Golden State.

2. https://laincubator.org/zedz/

https://autos.yahoo.com/report-california-looking-restrict-travel-120000026.html

3. Effective January 2023, diesel-fueled vehicles model years 2010 and older, with a gross vehicle weight rating of 14,000-pounds or greater, are banned from the Golden State's highways.
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I can tell you 2010 and older are not banned. Also can tell you my new riding mower was legally bought and they aren’t banned. Look you can go buy one yourself in CA….You say they are banned ? Lol

I can assure you my oldest Peterbilt is still working and it’s a 1990 , 3 axel 20k front 46k rears. 1000% legal and registered.
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gotbeans said:
I said they were happening already...
You will be dead by the time what you're worried about will happen, so stop worrying & dry your tears.
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Im not worrying I am pointing out that it is wrong and dangerous.

Would you agree to put your great great grandchildren into slavery for your own comfort today? Do you not care what happens to future humans?
gotbeans said:
yes, haven't you heard all of the movement to abolish the EPA?
Why wouldn't you want oil filled rivers again? Reagan was a mistake, should have never let the EPA happen
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I am very well aware of the movement to abolish the EPA. The EPA allows all sorts of adulteration of our environment. The EPA Is unconstitutional.

Eliminating centralized unelected bureaucracy does not mean we can't have laws that prohibit the dumping of industrial waste.
 
wattmatters said:
Yep, manufacture of EVs requires more energy and emissions than ICEVs. But the extra is far outweighed by the much lower emissions required to operate the vehicle.
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And to be clear, I'm not for one moment deluded into thinking EVs will save the planet. They are just less worse than ICEVs.

The biggest benefits will be the vast reduction in harmful particulate emissions in our cities and (in Australia at least) the fact that the energy required to power them is all made from locally generated sources rather than foreign oil which we are way overdependent upon.
 
wattmatters said:
And to be clear, I'm not for one moment deluded into thinking EVs will save the planet. They are just less worse than ICEVs.

The biggest benefits will be the vast reduction in harmful particulate emissions in our cities and (in Australia at least) the fact that the energy required to power them is all made from locally generated sources rather than foreign oil which we are way overdependent upon.
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What if the role of CO2 in the changing climate were vastly different that conventional "climate scientists" had proposed?

We are trading the elimination of an essential trace gas for poisonous batteries, which will figure out how to recycle someday.
 
Haze said:
I can tell you 2010 and older are not banned. Also can tell you my new riding mower was legally bought and they aren’t banned. Look you can go buy one yourself in CA….You say they are banned ? Lol

I can assure you my oldest Peterbilt is still working and it’s a 1990 , 3 axel 20k front 46k rears. 1000% legal and registered.
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Larger gas-powered equipment such as generators and large pressure washers will still be allowed. However, bans on those are slated to take effect in 2028.

**Correction: A previous version of this story failed to clarify that the law applies only to gas-powered equipment made after December 31st, 2023. Equipment manufactured prior to 2024 can still be sold at retailers across the state.

https://www.actionnewsnow.com/news/...cle_f29f7cca-a5f4-11ee-8475-83c572ba5d27.html

It is not me saying this, it is the government of California.
 
wattmatters said:
And to be clear, I'm not for one moment deluded into thinking EVs will save the planet. They are just less worse than ICEVs.

The biggest benefits will be the vast reduction in harmful particulate emissions in our cities and (in Australia at least) the fact that the energy required to power them is all made from locally generated sources rather than foreign oil which we are way overdependent upon.
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Do they make EV's in Australia?
 
time2roll said:
I want to reduce the federal deficit. Freedom to pollute has a cost. It would be appropriate for the polluters to pay society's cost.
Where does it stop? Should we allow industrial waste to be dumped in the rivers again? What else?
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Federal deficit has nothing to do with pushing people to EVs (except maybe making the deficit worse with all these subsidies).
Do you think that an EV is pollution free? Ok it has no tailpipe emissions, but dang man you seen the mineral requirements for them and the mess that makes?
Look everything has some level of pollution - I am in no way saying that ICE vehicles have no related materials mining pollution but I'm just reminding that really you're shifting some forms of pollution from around from usage to manufacturing. Then there is the whole disposal side of things at the end.
I'm again not against EVs, just against being forced into something I don't want or does not work for my situation as well.

And please, I never said to dump chemicals into the water. But now that you mention it, the mining process for lithium isn't exactly water friendly IIRC. Ironic.
 
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