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Complete guide for 48V using EG4 18k

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I just bit the bullet and ordered my eg4 18k inverter to force me to get serious about solar.

We live in the Phoenix Arizona area and this summer has been brutal. With a family of 4 young kids I don’t know how long we’d live without power.

Anyways, I see Will made a webpage and resources about total off grid set ups using inverters other than EG4 18k.

Has anyone seen a product list and project plan utilizing this inverter?
 
? I was going to share the same thread.

To the OP, there's also this. It's not as scary as the other one.
 
I just bit the bullet and ordered my eg4 18k inverter to force me to get serious about solar.

We live in the Phoenix Arizona area and this summer has been brutal. With a family of 4 young kids I don’t know how long we’d live without power.

Anyways, I see Will made a webpage and resources about total off grid set ups using inverters other than EG4 18k.

Has anyone seen a product list and project plan utilizing this inverter?
Depending on the needs of the system, the EG4 18Kpv can be a reasonably straightforward install

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The above diagram assumes you are doing a whole-house backup and works for up to a 200A utility feed. The inverter goes between the utility meter and the existing breaker box. The inverter will 'only' produce a continuous 50A @ 240V (12KW) but the run surge capabilities can deal with surges greater than 12KW. For many households, it will carry the load, but if the 'normal' load is higher than 12K the user may need to cut back on some higher-wattage appliances when the power is down.

The AC disconnect may need to be added if there is not one at the meter. The disconnect should be rated for the current rating of your service.
If the service into the home is the full 200A the lines between the meter and the breaker need to be at least 3/0 AWG. However, if the service is 100A the lines can be as 'small' as 2 AWG.

There are a lot of options for the batteries, the EG4 LiFePower batteries can work but I prefer the EG4 LL batteries. There are several other brands that work with the inverter. However, if your state requires the combined Inverter/battery UL listing you may need to stick with the EG4 batteries.

The inverter can pull up to 250A from the batteries and most of the server rack batteries have 100A BMSs so the system needs a minimum of 3 100A server rack batteries. This gives 15.36KWh of storage. Depending on the usage pattern and how long you want to be able to run on batteries alone, you may need more batteries. 6 batteries in a server rack is a common set-up for the 18K pv but some folks have more. From your description, there could be a lot of Air Conditioning so make sure to calculate your need and size the battery bank accordingly.

For the PV disconnect, the IMO line seems to work pretty well. If you have 4 strings coming in you will need two 2-string switches.

The availability of any particular panel is so short-lived that recommending a specific panel is a fool's errand. You will need to shop around for what works best for you. I like some of the newer 400+ W panels that are out and the 600V pv-in limit of the 18Kpv can handle reasonably long strings with the higher Voc these panels come with.

If your installation is going to have to meet the code you will need to add Rapid Shutdown receiver Modules to the panels. Tigo has a good line of these.


Note: If you have not done it yet, you should spend some time calculating your peak demand wattage and daily KWh usage. This will inform your decision on the size of your battery bank and the size of your solar array. Your current electric bill will often give you most of this data. You can also use one of the whole-house energy monitors that will plot your usage. If you are building from scratch and don't yet have a history to guide you, an energy audit can be very useful:

Finally.... Not shown in the diagram above is a class T fuse between the batteries and the inverter. Some say the battery breakers and BMS over-current is sufficient. However, I like to have a class T fuse between the batteries and the inverter. If you have two server rack batteries, I like to put a fuse after each server rack and then run a cable directly to one of the two battery lugs on the inverter.
 
BTW: Here is a slightly updated diagram.

1) Added the current transformers. (These come with the 18Kpv)
2) Added the CANbus cable to the batteries (This also comes with the 18Kpv).

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Hi! What are your feelings about skipping the Solar Disconnect and using the On/Off switch on the side of the 18K. Using that, instead of the IMO 8 Pole Switch. Any ideas on pro's and cons? The one thing I'd note is I'm using a combiner box on the roof, so I can disconnect power there if I need to work on the lines between the panels and the inverter, I can cut the power there. Thoughts?
 
Hi! What are your feelings about skipping the Solar Disconnect and using the On/Off switch on the side of the 18K. Using that, instead of the IMO 8 Pole Switch. Any ideas on pro's and cons? The one thing I'd note is I'm using a combiner box on the roof, so I can disconnect power there if I need to work on the lines between the panels and the inverter, I can cut the power there. Thoughts?
This gets into code requirements. If the inverter is outside, the integrated disconnect may satisfy the "Readily Accessible" requirement the NEC puts on the disconnect. (It depends on your inspector and if he got up on the wrong side of the bed that day). If the inverter is inside, and the system needs to meet the code, an external disconnect will be required.
 
This gets into code requirements. If the inverter is outside, the integrated disconnect may satisfy the "Readily Accessible" requirement the NEC puts on the disconnect. (It depends on your inspector and if he got up on the wrong side of the bed that day). If the inverter is inside, and the system needs to meet the code, an external disconnect will be required.
Makes sense. To me, code is the only factor. That On/Off functions the same as a disconnect. So an inverter inside and 2 feet away from an IMO disconnect is redundant. Better off the save the disconnect and put it outside to be compliant.
 
Depending on the needs of the system, the EG4 18Kpv can be a reasonably straightforward install

View attachment 161412

The above diagram assumes you are doing a whole-house backup and works for up to a 200A utility feed. The inverter goes between the utility meter and the existing breaker box. The inverter will 'only' produce a continuous 50A @ 240V (12KW) but the run surge capabilities can deal with surges greater than 12KW. For many households, it will carry the load, but if the 'normal' load is higher than 12K the user may need to cut back on some higher-wattage appliances when the power is down.

The AC disconnect may need to be added if there is not one at the meter. The disconnect should be rated for the current rating of your service.
If the service into the home is the full 200A the lines between the meter and the breaker need to be at least 3/0 AWG. However, if the service is 100A the lines can be as 'small' as 2 AWG.

There are a lot of options for the batteries, the EG4 LiFePower batteries can work but I prefer the EG4 LL batteries. There are several other brands that work with the inverter. However, if your state requires the combined Inverter/battery UL listing you may need to stick with the EG4 batteries.

The inverter can pull up to 250A from the batteries and most of the server rack batteries have 100A BMSs so the system needs a minimum of 3 100A server rack batteries. This gives 15.36KWh of storage. Depending on the usage pattern and how long you want to be able to run on batteries alone, you may need more batteries. 6 batteries in a server rack is a common set-up for the 18K pv but some folks have more. From your description, there could be a lot of Air Conditioning so make sure to calculate your need and size the battery bank accordingly.

For the PV disconnect, the IMO line seems to work pretty well. If you have 4 strings coming in you will need two 2-string switches.

The availability of any particular panel is so short-lived that recommending a specific panel is a fool's errand. You will need to shop around for what works best for you. I like some of the newer 400+ W panels that are out and the 600V pv-in limit of the 18Kpv can handle reasonably long strings with the higher Voc these panels come with.

If your installation is going to have to meet the code you will need to add Rapid Shutdown receiver Modules to the panels. Tigo has a good line of these.


Note: If you have not done it yet, you should spend some time calculating your peak demand wattage and daily KWh usage. This will inform your decision on the size of your battery bank and the size of your solar array. Your current electric bill will often give you most of this data. You can also use one of the whole-house energy monitors that will plot your usage. If you are building from scratch and don't yet have a history to guide you, an energy audit can be very useful:

Finally.... Not shown in the diagram above is a class T fuse between the batteries and the inverter. Some say the battery breakers and BMS over-current is sufficient. However, I like to have a class T fuse between the batteries and the inverter. If you have two server rack batteries, I like to put a fuse after each server rack and then run a cable directly to one of the two battery lugs on the inverter.
FilterGuy, Great post. It helps a lot. I plan to use this diagram to connect mine. Thanks for taking the time and effort to help us out. Your diagrams are awesome.
 
Hey Filter Guy,
Not to hijack the thread, But have you you ever received approval in Los Gatos for an on grid system
with eg4 ii or life power batteries?. This is the exact system I'm looking at down here in Los Osos and didn't
think the county would approve a non CEC listed battery
 
@FilterGuy ,

So I have a boxed EG418K sitting in the garage and it's time for me to get serious. ?

I have created a dashboard of energy usage by day and then also my max & average by hour by day to understand the demand. My next step is to purchase an EG4 power wall (the new 14kWh) and 30 (a pallet) of 400W panels. Am I missing anything here?....

Link to start of my systems diagram, very introductory: https://lucid.app/lucidchart/7c4775...onId=inv_559796f9-9faa-46f8-a0b6-f1c0608bd18b

Dashboard of usage: https://lookerstudio.google.com/reporting/af97e5f0-7785-4e30-8fee-f0c6264f0d66
 
Hey Filter Guy,
Not to hijack the thread, But have you you ever received approval in Los Gatos for an on grid system
with eg4 ii or life power batteries?.
Sorry, just saw the post. The system at my house does not have EG4 batteries but I am looking at a major upgrade that will


This is the exact system I'm looking at down here in Los Osos and didn't think the county would approve a non CEC listed battery
If they arn't already CEC-approved, EG4 is working on it. I don't know off hand where it stands.
 
I can't access the chart. It wants me to sign up and I am not interested in yet another web account.


Do I understand the first chart to indicate on July 29 the house used 145KWh? That is huge!
@FilterGuy , sorry, I didn't know Lucid chart forced people to create an account, let me just share a screenshot, again, it's very rudimentary.

From a simly overview, do you think 1 EG418K + 30 400w panels (12,000kWh) + 1 EG4 powerwall would be enough?
 

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From a simly overview, do you think 1 EG418K + 30 400w panels (12,000kWh) + 1 EG4 powerwall would be enough?
Before I answer that, can you confirm the house is using as much as 145KWh in one day? That is a huge amount for one house.

Meanwhile, the EG4 18Kpv is a 12KW inverter. That means it can draw 12000W/51.2V=234A continuously. The EG4 Wall Mount battery can only provide 200A continuously. Consequently, there really should be 2 of the wall mount batteries.
 
@FilterGuy On July 29th I do see 136.3kWh, here is a screenshot directly from utility company. The summer hasn't been too kind to the Phoenix Arizona area. Paying $600/mo utility bills is a big driver in my offgrid solar efforts.

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