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I think the jury is still out on if we can keep it under 2 degrees with low cost solutions (e.g., electrification).
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I think the jury is still out on if we can keep it under 2 degrees with low cost solutions (e.g., electrification).
As WUWT reported recently, it could be a lot worse than Euronews is letting on. The German Renewable Energy sector is on the brink of collapse.EU Policy. Lack of commitment threatens bloc’s climate-neutrality target
By Marta Pacheco & Robert Hodgson
Published on 03/01/2024 – 13:26•Updated 13:51
With the European Commission expected to announce next month a radical new 2040 target for greenhouse gas emissions reduction, there are worrying signs that governments are struggling to meet existing commitments.
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Member states are already struggling to meet the 2030 targets for energy savings, renewable energy use, and overall emissions reduction at the core of the EU’s contribution to the global effort. During the same environment ministers’ gathering in December, the Commission published a damning assessment of national climate and energy plans (NECPs) submitted to date.
With all the planned measures combined, the bloc looked set to fall short of all three targets for the end of this decade, which require roughly doubling the share of renewables such as wind and solar in the EU’s energy mix to 42.5% while cutting overall energy use by 11.7% on the way to slashing net emissions by 55% compared to 1990.
Moreover, despite an end-of-June deadline, only 21 member states had submitted draft plans by mid-November, a scenario that has significantly compromised the process of assessing their combined impact, according to the Commission. The executive’s appraisal points to shortcomings on several fronts, including EU countries’ performance on reducing national annual emissions.
Current measures would lead to a reduction of 51%, four points short of the 2030 target, the Commission found. As for renewable energy in the mix, current drafts show that EU countries are on track to reach a share of around 39% by 2030. For energy efficiency the picture is much worse: the plans submitted by mid-November imply a 5.8% reduction in energy demand, just half of the EU target.
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Read more: https://www.euronews.com/green/2024...nce-threatens-blocs-climate-neutrality-target
Anyone who thinks science can't be questioned should be ignored. Same is true for those who ignore science."I'd much rather have questions I can't answer than science that can't be questioned"
A conman wouldn't be good at his job if people didn't believe him.There is no doubt in my mind this guy is genuine .....
Oh brother.[from tucker video] Fossil fuels come from dinosaurs, so why are they in space?
Possibly this NASA article on Titan? Titan has a lot of hydrocarbons and an incredibly interesting environment. Personally, I think Enceladus is more interesting (liquid water on a moon), but probably because we know so little.Oh, and here is the website he mentions but is hard to understand. https://www.ceres-science.com/
Thanks for that link! I went to the lead author's website and found this interesting bit:Article about the sun ..... with links to studies that are the reasons for their conclusions.
https://www.ceres-science.com/post/has-the-sun-s-true-role-in-global-warming-been-miscalculated
Where they differ is whether it's the sun or human-caused. So, at least they agree there is global warming.95% of scientists, including us, agree that the climate is changing
The thing is, most of the visible temperature gains have been in the last five decades and it's been accelerating. But, as anyone with solar panels can tell you, the sun's overall output during its 11-year cycles hasn't been changing much during that time. Again, from NASA:The Sun can influence Earth’s climate, but it isn’t responsible for the warming trend we’ve seen over recent decades.
Where they differ is whether it's the sun or human-caused. So, at least they agree there is global warming.
In fact: Politics plays a major role in science. The cancel culture origin.Ahem, NO, LOL
Most definitely not!
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No, Arctic Sea Ice Isn’t Shrinking – The Daily Sceptic
Further scientific evidence has emerged showing that summer sea ice in the Arctic has shown no significant decline since 2007, contradicting the alarmist claims of the Net Zero zealots.dailysceptic.org
If you only listened to the first part of the video ... You missed the best part. The part about hydrocarbons was just a warmup .... He was just point out how the inflammatory term ... fossil fuels ... is a misnomer.
Anyone who thinks science can't be questioned should be ignored. Same is true for those who ignore science.
A conman wouldn't be good at his job if people didn't believe him.
Oh brother.
Fossil fuels are hydrocarbons. They are just molecules like any other molecules. Why is ice in space? Hydrocarbons are just carbon atoms linked with hydrogen atoms (caveat for purists: coal is a bit different, primarily carbon). Both atoms are not uncommon in space. Plants and animals store hydrocarbons as "fat" and concentrate carbon (we're carbon-based after all), nature over time did the rest and that's why they are frequently referred to as fossil fuels. But they don't require a biological presence to form. Even us silly humans can make hydrocarbons in the lab. (ref).
Couldn't listen to any more Tucker beyond that, he's just too stupid.
Possibly this NASA article on Titan? Titan has a lot of hydrocarbons and an incredibly interesting environment. Personally, I think Enceladus is more interesting (liquid water on a moon), but probably because we know so little.
https://www.ceres-science.com/
Thanks for that link! I went to the lead author's website and found this interesting bit:
Where they differ is whether it's the sun or human-caused. So, at least they agree there is global warming.
Of course, there's also what NASA says:
The thing is, most of the visible temperature gains have been in the last five decades and it's been accelerating. But, as anyone with solar panels can tell you, the sun's overall output during its 11-year cycles hasn't been changing much during that time. Again, from NASA:
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If you only listened to the first part of the video ... You missed the best part. The part about hydrocarbons was just a warmup .... He was just point out how the inflammatory term ... fossil fuels ... is a misnomer.
He isn't talking about a variable sun effect in the typical fashion .... He is talking about how the sun actually has a variable output. They have been able to chart these variabilities with a special camera they have developed.
There are studies linked on his website and his articles.
He also .... like many others .... sees that islanding is corrupting the global temperature numbers. He has numbers just using rural temperatures unaffected by islanding and gets completely different results from the IPCC ..... kinda like the videos this guy makes where he points out the a LOT of the temperature data they are using is affected by islanding or simply made up.
I am well aware that many of a certain political persuasion are going to be triggered by anything Tucker ..... Tucker actually talks very little and just asks pointed questions.
I measured the sun recently when bought some more solar panels that were new on the market and offered at a great sale price plus shipped by fedex and ups. Amazon and Ebay. I was impressed they are lightweight. They have decent product face value the packaging is faulty but UPS - Fedex were rough on one particular package. We measure the sun daily with solar. Right? ??If you only listened to the first part of the video ... You missed the best part. The part about hydrocarbons was just a warmup .... He was just point out how the inflammatory term ... fossil fuels ... is a misnomer.
He isn't talking about a variable sun effect in the typical fashion .... He is talking about how the sun actually has a variable output. They have been able to chart these variabilities with a special camera they have developed.
There are studies linked on the website I linked.
He also .... like many others .... sees that islanding is corrupting the global temperature numbers. He has numbers just using rural temperatures unaffected by islanding and gets completely different results from the IPCC ..... kinda like the videos this guy makes where he points out the a LOT of the temperature data they are using is affected by islanding or simply made up.
I am well aware that many of a certain political persuasion are going to be triggered by anything Tucker ..... Tucker actually talks very little and just asks pointed questions.
- Beano for Cows, synthetic meats (also allows more agricultural land to shift to food for humans ref)
Is "Fewer humans" an alternative you take seriously?
If you can pull out discussion items power to you Bob! Let's discuss them and thank you for understanding me not wanting to waste time on videos like that.If you only listened to the first part of the video ... You missed the best part. The part about hydrocarbons was just a warmup ....
Sure, if you look at the maximum energy from a flare you might conclude the Earth's surface should be a burnt-out cinder. Why aren't we? Because most of the energy is reflected back into space. Or, did he forget to mention that or show how it was accounted for? A great example of a high-energy solar event is the Carrington Event, one of the most massive earth-impacting solar events ever recorded. It caused buildings to catch fire. Yet, there was no significant global temperature blip in 1859 or runaway like there is now. | ![]() Solar input (yellow) & Global Temperature (Red) |
Although solar flares, and associated coronal mass ejections, can bombard Earth’s outermost atmosphere with tremendous amounts of energy, most of that energy is reflected back into space by the Earth’s magnetic field. Because the energy does not reach our planet’s surface, it has no measurable influence on surface temperature.
I have two problems with that. First, the IPCC doesn't do experiments so they don't have results. Instead, they assemble data from the scientific community and have panels that assemble it. So It's not source A vs. Source B. It's Source A vs. thousands of sources funded from people all over the world....He has numbers just using rural temperatures unaffected by islanding and gets completely different results from the IPCC .....
I again didn't look at the video you linked, but that was because I saw the guy is a mouthpiece for the CO2 Coalition, that is he's paid to get you to believe that climate science is bogus. Follow the money of the guy you're choosing to believe ... it leads to the fossil fuel industry.He also .... like many others .... sees that islanding is corrupting the global temperature numbers.
Wow. Where the hell did that come from? For the record, I think it's stupid.Is "Fewer humans" an alternative you take seriously?
Wow. Where the hell did that come from? For the record, I think it's stupid.
If it's something you take seriously you might be interested in #525 Would Reducing the population help or not.
Daily Sceptic regular contributor Guy de la Bédoyère said: “I took that bus (no. 200) every day as a kid in the 1960s through Wimbledon. I’ll tell you this for nothing: it never burst into flames.”Clouds of smoke billowed from the vehicle in the centre of Wimbledon after it caught fire at about 7.20am, with firefighters setting up an 80ft (25m) cordon.
Three fire engines and 15 firefighters raced to the scene, with dramatic photographs showing the blaze destroyed the rear of the bus and blew out the back windows.
As police confirmed there were no injuries but urged motorists to avoid the scene, local resident Max Pashley told City AM: “We heard a huge bang. We were terrified.”
Another witness, Roderick Cameron, tweeted a photo of the flames and said: “Not what we expect to see on the school run. Bus on fire – and the fumes are awful.”
The Optare Metrodecker 1050 bus operates route 200 from Mitcham to Raynes Park, and it has been run by Go-Ahead London from the Merton garage since June 2021.
The blaze on Alwyne Road led to Wimbledon Hill Road being partially blocked with congestion to Wimbledon Village southbound and to the Broadway northbound.
A London Fire Brigade spokeswoman told MailOnline: “Firefighters have been called to a fire involving a bus on Wimbledon Hill Road in Wimbledon.
“Part of a double-decker electric bus is alight. A 25-metre cordon has been put in place as a precaution and road closures are in place. There are currently no reports of any injuries.
“The Brigade was called at 7.21am. Three fire engines and around 15 firefighters from Wimbledon, New Malden and Wandsworth fire stations are at the scene.” …
Electric buses have been carrying passengers in London since 2014 when Boris Johnson was Mayor, and there are about 1,000 now in operation across the capital.
What is going through the minds of activists who object to nuclear energy? France already gets most of its electricity from nuclear reactors, it wouldn’t take much more capacity for France to get 100% of its electricity from zero carbon nuclear.France drops renewables targets, prioritises nuclear in new energy bill
Critics are deriding as a step backward a new French energy bill that favours the further development of nuclear power and avoids setting targets for solar and wind power and other renewables.
Issued on: 09/01/2024 – 08:26
By: NEWS WIRES
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The proposed text affirms “the sustainable choice of using nuclear energy as a competitive and carbon-free” source of electricity, and targets the construction of at least six but as many as 14 new reactors to pull off the transition to clean energy and meet climate change goals.
But the proposed text sets no such targets for building renewable capacity, in particular wind and solar, whereas previous energy laws did.
The Ministry of Energy Transition said “it is false to say that there is no renewables objective” as the government will set the targets itself later.
But that pledge does not satisfy activists and experts.
“It’s a terrible step back,” said Arnaud Gosse, a lawyer specialising in environmental law.
‘Tending’ instead of targets
“If you only quantify nuclear power, you do not know the share of non-renewable energies. As a result, nuclear gets prioritised and, depending on remaining coverage needs, non-renewables will be the subject of floating (future) decrees. It’s no longer a mix,” Gosse said
To reach its stated ambition of carbon neutrality by 2050 France will have to massively ramp up the production and share of renewables, studies have repeatedly shown.
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Read more: https://www.france24.com/en/france/...argets-prioritises-nuclear-in-new-energy-bill
If you can pull out discussion items power to you Bob! Let's discuss them and thank you for understanding me not wanting to waste time on videos like that.
To me a warmup like that is just a sales gimmick to get you to buy into their idea by making a big reveal of an obvious truth. If the first thing is true, then the second must be too. It's BS theatrics. Real science doesn't need that.
Sure, if you look at the maximum energy from a flare you might conclude the Earth's surface
should be a burnt-out cinder. Why aren't we? Because most of the energy is reflected back
into space. Or, did he forget to mention that or show how it was accounted for?
A great example of a high-energy solar event is the Carrington Event, one of the most
massive earth-impacting solar events ever recorded. It caused buildings to catch fire.
Yet, there was no significant global temperature blip in 1859 or runaway like there is now.
Solar input (yellow) & Global Temperature (Red)
But it all averages out. As far as stars go, ours is pretty stable going through 11-year cycles. The graph just above shows solar energy vs. temperature. But if overall solar activity is down in the last two decades, why didn't temperature go down?
That's not to say solar events have no impact, just that they haven't been ignored. NASA writes about it here:
I have two problems with that. First, the IPCC doesn't do experiments so they don't have results. Instead, they assemble data from the scientific community and have panels that assemble it. So It's not source A vs. Source B. It's Source A vs. thousands of sources funded from people all over the world.
The second is if they get different results from the scientific community as published via the IPCC then they're just idiots because historically, the predicted temperatures in the IPCC assessment reports have ALWAYS been within the predicted tolerances. The chart below is from one of their old reports, I added the red dots based on NOAA values.
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I again didn't look at the video you linked, but that was because I saw the guy is a mouthpiece for the CO2 Coalition, that is he's paid to get you to believe that climate science is bogus. Follow the money of the guy you're choosing to believe ... it leads to the fossil fuel industry.
Wow. Where the hell did that come from? For the record, I think it's stupid.
If it's something you take seriously you might be interested in #525 Would Reducing the population help or not.
The IPCC is just as impotent as the UN itself. Without US taxpayer money, it would fold. I lost all respect for the WHO and WEF over the last few years also.If you can pull out discussion items power to you Bob! Let's discuss them and thank you for understanding me not wanting to waste time on videos like that.
To me a warmup like that is just a sales gimmick to get you to buy into their idea by making a big reveal of an obvious truth. If the first thing is true, then the second must be too. It's BS theatrics. Real science doesn't need that.
Sure, if you look at the maximum energy from a flare you might conclude the Earth's surface
should be a burnt-out cinder. Why aren't we? Because most of the energy is reflected back
into space. Or, did he forget to mention that or show how it was accounted for?
A great example of a high-energy solar event is the Carrington Event, one of the most
massive earth-impacting solar events ever recorded. It caused buildings to catch fire.
Yet, there was no significant global temperature blip in 1859 or runaway like there is now.
Solar input (yellow) & Global Temperature (Red)
But it all averages out. As far as stars go, ours is pretty stable going through 11-year cycles. The graph just above shows solar energy vs. temperature. But if overall solar activity is down in the last two decades, why didn't temperature go down?
That's not to say solar events have no impact, just that they haven't been ignored. NASA writes about it here:
I have two problems with that. First, the IPCC doesn't do experiments so they don't have results. Instead, they assemble data from the scientific community and have panels that assemble it. So It's not source A vs. Source B. It's Source A vs. thousands of sources funded from people all over the world.
The second is if they get different results from the scientific community as published via the IPCC then they're just idiots because historically, the predicted temperatures in the IPCC assessment reports have ALWAYS been within the predicted tolerances. The chart below is from one of their old reports, I added the red dots based on NOAA values.
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I again didn't look at the video you linked, but that was because I saw the guy is a mouthpiece for the CO2 Coalition, that is he's paid to get you to believe that climate science is bogus. Follow the money of the guy you're choosing to believe ... it leads to the fossil fuel industry.
Wow. Where the hell did that come from? For the record, I think it's stupid.
If it's something you take seriously you might be interested in #525 Would Reducing the population help or not.
You'd have to link the post so I know the context....you mentioned more land for agriculture to create food for humans.
I'm okay with more humans, I think we have the technology to sustain some additional growth even. But that's a personal belief and based on the science mentioned in #525; which I now know you didn't agree with. The difference between our viewpoints is that although we could be doing more, we're not. As ESS prices go down capitalism will get us to full electrification, but from what I've seen it's not quite enough (but it will stretch the problem quite a bit) and it doesn't look like it will be fast enough to be painless (e.g., not affect people's lifestyles or the economy).Meaning, something that would support an even larger human population than we have today.
It would certainly work, eliminating the Earth of all humans would revert the planet to a fully natural cycle.I believe the best solution is fewer humans.
Yes! I've said that a lot too! You can always find something on the internet to validate your viewpoint. But who paid for it? In the example you used, it was the oil companies. If you want to know the truth you have to dig into both sides and separate facts from innuendo and see if their conclusions match actual facts. That was what caused me to switch viewpoints as this thread went along...there was a lot to explore, still is and honestly, I do learn a lot from some of the papers you've posted (even if we don't always agree on what they say ;- ).It's really very simple to me .... If you are ONLY willing to look at information that supports your conclusions .... You will never be informed enough to have a valid conclusion.
Bring up some concrete examples that can be discussed. I'm open to new ideas and learning things, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Just please don't expect me to watch a Tucker video or data paid for by fossil fuel-funded companies. As Hedges said, we're all smart people, we can whittle things down to the numbers to validate it.Oh, and the fluctuations in solar output he is talking about has nothing to do with something as simplistic as solar flares.
The main numbers you see from the IPCC are global averages, not rural areas. There are some general trends (e.g., more warming at the poles), but the models get worse the smaller the area as there's too much regional variability.Have you actually looked at rural only temperature data and compared it to IPCC data?
I'd say the biggest crisis is fixing misinformation in our society. How can a voter or a politician know what is the right course of action without knowing the truth of the situation including economics or risk levels? People are divided on issues purposefully for their own gain. People on both sides are 100% sure they're right, polarized even. There's oodles of information available explaining why one side is right and the other is wrong (for both sides) with compelling stories. Not sure how this can be fixed and keep society "free"....We have bigger things that need attention at this time, like fixing...