Half price electric cars

[Ampster]

Sorry I just cannot trust any official numbers from China.

I don't know how to verify those numbers. I know the government lies about a lot of things but I don't know of any reason they would need to lie about the mix of car sales. Whether it is ten percent or twenty five percent it is significant. The air is polluted and they do need all the help they can get to clean up the air, even in the countryside.
All I can do is share anectdotal information from my last trip in February. EVs have green tinted license plates and there were a lot of them on the roads in Xian and a drive to the country during my time there. I also spent five days in Dalian and there were enough EVs that I suspect the number is close to being acurate. It is a huge market as the population has moved into the middle class. Some cities have banned gasoline scooters and motorcycles so much of the population that does not drive a vehicle drives and electric scooter or ebike. The Chinese are definitely not copying the experience in the USA.

 

[time2roll]

I don't know about his experience but 50 years ago in the late sixties I remember gasoline in California at $0.27 a gallon. With a fill up, even with a VW with a 9 gallon tank I would get a free drinking glass. Now prices are routinely above $4.00 a gallon in California.

Yes and dad complained same as we do today about the prices. Back then $10,000 annual salary was good pay. Seems like it has all gone up together about the same.

 

[gotbeans]

Yeah not sure why diesel is so high now. Demand is part of it. Stricter regs? And then..no clue.

Also, the 10 cents difference between grades is looong gone. My toy car needs mid grade and it is like 40 cents more per gallon now. Blah.

in early 2000s people claimed it was from the war using more diesel but probably "just cuz they can" since then all the way until now

20,000 years ?- glacial periods are 120,000 years.
The interglacial periods are short, the glacial periods are far longer - the graph above has the temps invertered I expect.
We are not (today) under two miles of ice, in a glacial period, we are in the latest interglacial period -ie the short warm period between ice ages.
If the pattern were repeating as ice cores indicate in the past, it should be getting colder every winter at this point in the cycle.

those two graphs don't even line up against each other properly at all, some of the "ages" are many millions of years off. The line on the second one through the center though is for no ice caps at all above/below. Current heat trend upwards is the most vertical line there is on the graph other than maybe 1 other time. It is very tiny as the horizontal deals with millions of years

I read your post several times. It is a little tough to read without punctuation and complete sentences.
My post is clearly labeled and is talking about gasoline prices that you claimed have risen 12 fold in 50 years.
So you bought gas for $.85/gallon in 1999.
$.85 x 12 = $10.20/ gallon?
Where are you getting this 12X increase in gasoline prices?

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMA_EPM0_PWA_SCO_DPG&f=M

https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

Colorado looks to be a lower cost state on average so it would probably be better to stick with national average prices for comparison.

sorry didn't know my 4 sentences with 4 new lines were so complex
show me your math how you calculated 1999 was 40-50 years ago so I can help you

I don't know about his experience but 50 years ago in the late sixties I remember gasoline in California at $0.27 a gallon. With a fill up, even with a VW with a 9 gallon tank I would get a free drinking glass. Now prices are routinely above $4.00 a gallon in California.

Yep my post said this. He's just cherry picking numbers.

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[Checkthisout]

Hardly the same thing and you know that.

Unless you expect to have super giant batteries capable of storing enough from summer sun to have excess to use in winter... holy crap that is a lot of batteries.

He's Australian. He doesn't understand the concept of winter.

Again that lack of empathy and understanding from the EV dorks.

 

[wattmatters]

He's Australian. He doesn't understand the concept of winter.

Dinky di, true blue, ridgy didge mate, "that's not a knife", hooning in me holden ute with one hand holding a Chicko roll, the other a VB. 'Struth!

 

[Murphyslaww]

I don't know how to verify those numbers. I know the government lies about a lot of things but I don't know of any reason they would need to lie about the mix of car sales. Whether it is ten percent or twenty five percent it is significant. The air is polluted and they do need all the help they can get to clean up the air, even in the countryside.
All I can do is share anectdotal information from my last trip in February. EVs have green tinted license plates and there were a lot of them on the roads in Xian and a drive to the country during my time there. I also spent five days in Dalian and there were enough EVs that I suspect the number is close to being acurate. It is a huge market as the population has moved into the middle class. Some cities have banned gasoline scooters and motorcycles so much of the population that does not drive a vehicle drives and electric scooter or ebike. The Chinese are definitely not copying the experience in the USA.

It's going to be a slap in the face when China blows past the US due to doubling down on EV's and renewable generation. Moving away from reliance on imported fuel, and an eventual cleaner environment and increased better health outcomes, will be an insurmountable lead, added to the lead already existing due to their near monopoly on battery production. But, by all means, people should hang on to their ICE vehicles until death.

China is going to do it without selling a single EV in the US, other than, maybe Polestar. It's our loss as other countries are going to have access to sub $15k EV's with much lower long term maintenance costs. We have a 2013 Nissan Leaf that's plugging away with no issues, 11 years later, charging from house 120v.

We're charging our Lightning from a 3.6kW back yard gas station. It's been a good truck for the last year and a half. If you're the guy that drives 240miles a day or tows heavy equipment with your personal vehicle, or multi-day travels in your truck, then maybe it isn't for you (but access to Tesla chargers just made that a whole lot more feasible). The back yard array will be paid for around the same time the truck loan is paid off, then free fuel, and it will be powering a 12k BTU mini-split cooling my man-cave garage soon too. Moving the EV charging to the added array has allowed the house 5.4kW array to break even on production vs. consumption three of the last four months. That system is only four years from payoff.

You can talk all the numbers you want, but the day you pull the trigger on a system like this, is the day you are one day closer to writing a line item(or two) off your budget. Nothing's going to change that. You know what will change? The utility and gas prices other people are going to pay.

 

[wattmatters]

It's happening whether or not you or I like it.



Yep, share of total fleet lags new sales, by about a decade or so given the average age of the vehicle fleet is typically 10-12 years (it's more like 6 years in China).

Some countries are further along, some not so far. But the change is happening. Medium term projections may move back or forward a year or two but other than that the change so far is right in line with so many other technology changes.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

It's happening whether or not you or I like it.

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Yep, share of total fleet lags new sales, by about a decade or so given the average age of the vehicle fleet is typically 10-12 years (it's more like 6 years in China).

Some countries are further along, some not so far. But the change is happening. Medium term projections may move back or forward a year or two but other than that the change so far is right in line with so many other technology changes.

It wouldn’t be happening without Government mandates killing ICE and incentivizing EV to the point of bankruptcy.

This is not a done deal and far from over.

 

[wattmatters]

Chinese cars...



BYD’s YangWang U9 Supercar
4-motor E4 platform
960kW power | 1680Nm torque
0-100kph 2.36s | Max 309kph
80kWh LFP | 465km CLTC range
800V Charging: 7kW AC | 500kW DC

nice little runabout

 

[Pi Curio]

Chinese cars...

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BYD’s YangWang U9 Supercar
4-motor E4 platform
960kW power | 1680Nm torque
0-100kph 2.36s | Max 309kph
80kWh LFP | 465km CLTC range
800V Charging: 7kW AC | 500kW DC

nice little runabout

Not bad. Yet, Croatian Rimac Nevera is still the fastest and rules them all.

Rimac Nevera - 0-60mph 1.74s | 0-100kph - 1.82s | Max 415kph

 

[robby]

Let's check the weather records for the last 100 years.

Air Bubbles from extracted Antarctica Cores give exact historical Data.


Last 100 Years.



Keep on waiting for the Cycle to end naturally

 

[MTM98290]

Ice Bubbles from extracted Antarctica Cores give exact historical Data.
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Last 100 Years.

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Keep on waiting for the Cycle to end naturally

Zoom out.

 

[Checkthisout]

Ice Bubbles from extracted Antarctica Cores give exact historical Data.
View attachment 206006

Last 100 Years.

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Keep on waiting for the Cycle to end naturally

Your local weather Robby. You made some comments about snow and temperatures in your area and how you felt it had changed

. Let's compare what you feel which you believe is caused by global warming vs what historical records of the weather in your area show.

 

[robby]

Your local weather Robby. You made some comments about snow and temperatures in your area and how you felt it had changed

. Let's compare what you feel which you believe is caused by global warming vs what historical records of the weather in your area show.

You do understand the difference between Weather and Climate?
I lived in several states and go back from time to time.
NY, PA, Fl. Summers are always hotter on every trip and Winters are now completely unpredictable!

 

[wattmatters]

Not bad. Yet, Croatian Rimac Nevera is still the fastest and rules them all.

True, although to be fair to BYD the Rimac is 10 times the price of the U9.

 

[Pi Curio]

True, although to be fair to BYD the Rimac is 10 times the price of the U9.

Very true.

Yet, engineering marvels that are second to none are always valued as such.

 

[Danke]

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[Tulex]

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This should be fun.

 

[Brucey]

Hertz is ditching (some?) electric cars in part because companies like Tesla don't give volume discounts to Hertz. At to that that in China there is a price war going on between the 300+electric car manufactures and profits are dropping. IF other countries allow car imports from China, (under a free market they would) The traditional companies are in a world of hurt as they are too slow to innovate.

Hertz did something incredibly stupid. They announced they were going to buy 100,000 Teslas at list price. No discounts. Did great things to share price.

Then reality sets in. Tesla started dropping their pricing, affecting the forecast resale pricing for Hertz. And then Hertz realized that the cost to repair the Teslas (mostly rented to rideshare drivers) was far higher than what they were used to with non Teslas.

The Hertz CEO who made that call is now spending time with family.

 

[wpns]

This should be fun.

Oh,c’mon, it’s Rumble, it must be true! Save me some

 

[Tulex]

Oh,c’mon, it’s Rumble, it must be true! Save me some

Rumble just happens to be the link, it's on youtube.

 

[Danke]

Oh,c’mon, it’s Rumble, it must be true! Save me some

Wow, you are talented multitasker. You can watch CNN and type comments here at the same time!

Is highly censored media more to your liking? YouTube hasn’t taken it down…yet:

 

[42OhmsPA]

I lived in several states and go back from time to time.
NY, PA, Fl. Summers are always hotter on every trip and Winters are now completely unpredictable!

You must have bad timing with your trips. I've lived in PA all my life and summers have most definitely not been getting hotter every year, winters on the other hand I agree.

 

[42OhmsPA]

This should be fun.

It was a great listen on YouTube yesterday. It's not on the regular tunnel vision programming so it can't be true.

 

[wpns]

sensored

I'm all about the sensors!