Happened again, DIY battery fire

[timselectric]

This is because battery system are the new thing. And they get the most attention.
It's becoming increasingly the normal for natural gas explosions. It's almost a boring story. (Old news)

 

[OffGridForGood]

From some of the common stats online, it would seem to limit house fires we should ban Natural Gas, Smoking and Kitchens !!

 

[SparkyJJO]

From some of the common stats online, it would seem to limit house fires we should ban Natural Gas, Smoking and Kitchens !!

Don't give them any ideas

 

[OffGridForGood]

Yeah, imagine if someone were to ask the AI how to reduce home fires - so it says to shut off the home heating system, quit smoking, and eat only in restaurants !!

 

[SparkyJJO]

Yeah, imagine if someone were to ask the AI how to reduce home fires - so it says to shut off the home heating system, quit smoking, and eat only in restaurants !!

Google's AI would tell you smoking is healthy for kids. And to use glue in your tomato sauce to hold your cheese on your pizza.

By the way, since most car accidents happen within 10 miles of home, don't ever go home to avoid accidents.

 

[OffGridForGood]

Google's AI would tell you smoking is healthy for kids. And to use glue in your tomato sauce to hold your cheese on your pizza.

By the way, since most car accidents happen within 10 miles of home, don't ever go home to avoid accidents.

but your not a kid, so no smoking for you,
you're not allowed to use the kitchen since that is the #1 cause of house fires so the restaurant will have to add the glue to your pizza for you!
since most car accidents happen within 10 miles of home, you need to park 10 miles from your home and walk that portion, then you can drive. LOL!
But maybe all that walking would actually help us to stay healthy, especially if we need to walk that 10-miles each way x three meals a day

 

[SparkyJJO]

but your not a kid, so no smoking for you,
you're not allowed to use the kitchen since that is the #1 cause of house fires so the restaurant will have to add the glue to your pizza for you!
since most car accidents happen within 10 miles of home, you need to park 10 miles from your home and walk that portion, then you can drive. LOL!
But maybe all that walking would actually help us to stay healthy, especially if we need to walk that 10-miles each way x three meals a day

Forget it, I'm living on microwave TV dinners now. And not leaving my couch. Problems solved.

 

[OffGridForGood]

Forget it, I'm living on microwave TV dinners now

Faulty appliances is ranked #4 most common cause of house fires...will the TV dinners be delivered? no driving within ten miles of home allowed...

 

[SparkyJJO]

Heck with it. Cold sandwiches.

 

[Crowz]

Main thing we all need to do is to not get defensive on the battery usage but to analyze every report like this to see if there is something we can add to our arsenal of howto's so to speak to protect ourselves and others.

The day we go postal on reports saying its all safe and ignoring reports like this and others as "something else" did it is the day we lose.

 

[AntronX]

see if there is something we can add to our arsenal

fire sprinklers inside battery enclosure with gas and heat detectors

 

[jjww]

EG4 powerpro battery already has fire extinguisher inside the case. anyone know how they work?

 

[upnorthandpersonal]

EG4 powerpro battery already has fire extinguisher inside the case. anyone know how they work?

Likely a 'Condensed Aerosol Fire Extinguishing Device', like these:

Aerosol fire suppression system for new energy vehicles

Product type: S type Aerosol Fire Suppression system Model: QRR0.02GW/SHS-CN1 Rated dose: 0.02KG Protect area: 0.15 m³ Device Size: 90*140*15mm Start-up mode: Thermal self-start or Electric start Discharge Time: ≤5s Working Condition: Temp: -50℃—+90℃ Humidity: ≤95% N.W.: 410±10g Agent Validity...

www.s-firefighting.com

 

[AntronX]

When a cell starts burning it will need a lot of water to cool it down to stop adjacent cells from overheating and burning as well. A tiny fire extinguisher will not save them.

 

[ScropusGobbleBottom]

know what I'm getting for Christmas

That is what dreams are made of! I think I need one too!

 

[upnorthandpersonal]

When a cell starts burning it will need a lot of water to cool it down to stop adjacent cells from overheating and burning as well. A tiny fire extinguisher will not save them.

But a cell doesn't just start burning, and if you take the oxygen away (with LFP) there is a very good chance it will extinguish (if it's the electrolyte that's burning). You need a sustained heat source (fire) to make an LFP go thermal runaway. This device would prevent the possibility of this heat-source coming into existence.

 

[AntronX]

But a cell doesn't just start burning

Overcharging. Internal short due to contamination during manufacturing. Improper pack assembly. Dendrite growth from low temp cycling or aging.

 

[upnorthandpersonal]

Overcharging. Internal short due to contamination during manufacturing. Improper pack assembly. Dendrite growth from low temp cycling or aging.

Dendrites lead to high resistance, short lived 'shorts' which do not have the ability to heat up a cell to thermal runaway in the case of LFP. Low temp cycling and ageing do not lead to thermal runaway, same as overcharging: they will have the electrolyte break down and vent (and if an ignition source is present, burst into fire due to hydrogen), but the PO4 in the cathode does not break down in these circumstances.

 

[John Kelly]

We're already illegal with the latest NEC and UL requirements. Pandering to the building code fascists isn't gonna get us anywhere with them.

What we need is safe and affordable coal power delivered to our homes so that we don't have to resort to these piles of chinese crap for our energy.

Troll, much?

 

[hwy17]

Troll, much?

It might seem that way. But I assure you it is my earnest opinion.