Sol-Ark needs a serious Change!

robby

Solar Addict
actually as many many folks have pointed out, no such thing is true.
the chinese datalogging just adds more evidence pointing that way
I won’t bother rehashing this with you again!
People can read the older posts and judge for themselves. I am still waiting for that Deye patent proof or the pictures of the Deye Sol-Ark clone that predates the pictures of the Sol-Ark 8k hybrid release. It’s also pretty amazing how Sol-Ark can order the “Chinese Creators” of the Sol-Ark to cease and desist making split phase units! The tail is wagging the dog I guess😚
 

robby

Solar Addict
I don't know how you could logically prove this ^ to be a true statement. If this reasoning is pushed to the extreme, you might say "the same person who designed the hardware has to design the firmware at the same time". If you say, "well it doesn't have to be the same person but they need to be on the same team", then the logic of the argument is lost. It then becomes a matter of efficiency between teams working on a product, but different subsystems of that product, and it is no longer impossible ("cannot"). They need not even be part of the same company. Look at cell phones and their modems; multiple companies will collaborate on those systems.

If we are talking about a microprocessor and it's execution architecture then I would agree that the firmware and the hardware are probably best created in a tightly coupled manner. But the people who designed the PIC Microcontroller did so many years ago, but I can still write functioning firmware for it. But even in this case we do see a decoupling between the ARM processor and licensees who end up making modifications to it.

It's because of this that we have mass produced items today and supply chains. There are many examples of companies that "don't do everything" when a product is made. An alternator in a car is an assembly that is part of a bigger assembly that also contains other subassemblies. This is modern engineering. I imagine inside an inverter there are many common engineering patterns to be found, from board level communications to safety engineering features and so on.

Honestly It seems like the power electronics can probably be decoupled from the control system in an inverter, and that a company could pretty easily substitute one control system for another, first by implementing the correct electrical interface to the power electronics and then by writing the firmware. This could be done years after the power electronics were completed.

In fact, Tesla is updating the actual electronics in some of it's car's computers for newer computer versions for the full self driving software.

But I don't have any way to know if Sol-Ark did or did not design the firmware or the hardware unless they choose to reveal the facts to me. I don't care either way honestly, I'm just trying to respond to your statement that appears to contain a logical fallacy.

Please don't take offense - I just have a difference of opinion. And again, I never, ever, said that Sol-Ark wasn't a good product or a good company, and I went out of my way in the previous post to make sure that I made that clear.
Your mostly talking about out of the box systems.
When your dealing with a completely new design with a lot of Analog circuitry being controlled by microprocessors and various other programmable chips it is close collaboration between the engineers. You want people in the same room with you to validate your changes by adding more code and doing tests. In my early days I laid down my own designs and wrote my own firmware code.
 

houseofancients

Solar Addict
I won’t bother rehashing this with you again!
People can read the older posts and judge for themselves. I am still waiting for that Deye patent proof or the pictures of the Deye Sol-Ark clone that predates the pictures of the Sol-Ark 8k hybrid release. It’s also pretty amazing how Sol-Ark can order the “Chinese Creators” of the Sol-Ark to cease and desist making split phase units! The tail is wagging the dog I guess😚
robby, quite easily ..
cease and desist isnt in play here, you can say whatever you want about the chinese, but they are pragmatic and top dollar countd
sol-ark put pressure on them using their order numbers, and probably paid a bit more per unit than deye could do themselves.


i never said i would provide you with any proof, i told you do a bit of research yourself ..
where i come from 1+1 is still 2..

and to end this.. frankly i could care less if you feel believing a oppertunisticblocus like company over what is in plain sight..
i wont be impacted regardless
 

Roqm

Solar Enthusiast
I won’t bother rehashing this with you again!
People can read the older posts and judge for themselves. I am still waiting for that Deye patent proof or the pictures of the Deye Sol-Ark clone that predates the pictures of the Sol-Ark 8k hybrid release. It’s also pretty amazing how Sol-Ark can order the “Chinese Creators” of the Sol-Ark to cease and desist making split phase units! The tail is wagging the dog I guess😚
It sounds more like they increased their purchasing and bought an exclusive right to distribute the split phase for north America....seeing as the split phase is only for north America this effectively killed all other sales! Fortunately there is another inverter entering the market that if all ul certs are obtained might cut alot of the same sales solark wants to keep...what will they do then go be the exclusive distributor for them too?😂😂🤣🤣...i for one hope they get what they gave!
 

Sanwizard

Photon Sorcerer
It sounds more like they increased their purchasing and bought an exclusive right to distribute the split phase for north America....seeing as the split phase is only for north America this effectively killed all other sales! Fortunately there is another inverter entering the market that if all ul certs are obtained might cut alot of the same sales solark wants to keep...what will they do then go be the exclusive distributor for them too?😂😂🤣🤣...i for one hope they get what they gave!
Exactly. Sol-ark servers are in China because thats where the Deye servers are. Deye is the oem for sol-ark, who is the US distributor, just like MPP solar is the US distributor for Voltronics units.
The proof of that is all over if you research it. I am sure Sol-Ark has input into the internals of their oem'ed version though.
 

robby

Solar Addict
robby, quite easily ..
cease and desist isnt in play here, you can say whatever you want about the chinese, but they are pragmatic and top dollar countd
sol-ark put pressure on them using their order numbers, and probably paid a bit more per unit than deye could do themselves.
Oh yes they are so Pragmatic that the Lights are going out all over China just because they wont buy Australian coal because Australia wanted to investigate the Origins of Covid-19.

Give me an example of an American Company pressuring a Chinese company like DJI or Hauwei or any company in China that is known for designing their own Tech being pressured by their US distributor to stop making a variation of their own product. You obviously have zero understanding of how the Chinese work. White Monkey never tells them what to do. You would know what I mean if you have been over there. Zuckerburg, Google and all the rest found out the hardway that money is not the deciding factor in China, it's them having full control and when you see them give up control it's because they have no leverage on you.
i never said i would provide you with any proof, i told you do a bit of research yourself ..
where i come from 1+1 is still 2..
You said that the Deye patents for the IP could easily be found online. Still Waiting!
and to end this.. frankly i could care less if you feel believing a oppertunisticblocus like company over what is in plain sight..
i wont be impacted regardless
What you want is a Sol-Ark inverter but you want to pay Deye prices for it. Sorry but it doesn't seem like that is going to happen. I have looked at the crap that this new company is hoping to peddle and it looks like a fire hazard. But then again I am pretty sure you have never seen a Deye Split phase unit in person. I have and it's price is cheap because it's also made cheaply.
 

robby

Solar Addict
Exactly. Sol-ark servers are in China because thats where the Deye servers are. Deye is the oem for sol-ark, who is the US distributor, just like MPP solar is the US distributor for Voltronics units.
The proof of that is all over if you research it. I am sure Sol-Ark has input into the internals of their oem'ed version though.
Makes sense because we all know that American companies never design any IP and the Chinese never Rip off IP.
 

robby

Solar Addict
It sounds more like they increased their purchasing and bought an exclusive right to distribute the split phase for north America....seeing as the split phase is only for north America this effectively killed all other sales! Fortunately there is another inverter entering the market that if all ul certs are obtained might cut alot of the same sales solark wants to keep...what will they do then go be the exclusive distributor for them too?😂😂🤣🤣...i for one hope they get what they gave!
The Sol-Ark is not just Split Phase, it can do multiple phases also. It's the Deye that has been forced to remove one of its capabilities. A Sol-Ark will work just fine in North America, China or Australia. A Deye cannot.
 

Roqm

Solar Enthusiast
Try to buy one now. The Split Phase model is gone.
Hahaha so you went from it didnt have one of the capabilities the solark has to "try buy one now"...you do know the deye 8k has a capability the solark 8k does not right.....the ability to parallel aka stack!😂😂🤣🤣🤣 so who again is taking functions from their consumers? i hope you and solark keep that same energy when the "crap" gains sales traction....
 

robby

Solar Addict
Hahaha so you went from it didnt have one of the capabilities the solark has to "try buy one now"...you do know the deye 8k has a capability the solark 8k does not right.....the ability to parallel aka stack!😂😂🤣🤣🤣 so who again is taking functions from their consumers? i hope you and solark keep that same energy when the "crap" gains sales traction....
Deye added the capability and then Sol-Ark told them to cease making the model and they did.
I have no idea what your talking about with Stacking, you must be smoking something as Sol-Ark has been doing that for years o_O.
I guess these people are just keeping a lot of spares :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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Roqm

Solar Enthusiast
I know how much you value pictures so here you go...here is the link as well...https://practicalpreppers.com/sol-ark-8k-vs-sol-ark-12k/amp/
 

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Roqm

Solar Enthusiast
From online spec sheet note the 8k and 5k can't parallel....also note they dont do 208 3phase either...talk about cutting your customers short!

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robby

Solar Addict
I know how much you value pictures so here you go...here is the link as well...https://practicalpreppers.com/sol-ark-8k-vs-sol-ark-12k/amp/
I own a 12K so I know it can be paralleled / stacked. Sol-Ark also has a 15K model coming out and I know that can be stacked.
Nope I don't follow the 8K all that much and don't follow the 5K at all, so I did not know it had that limitation.
 

Roqm

Solar Enthusiast
I own a 12K so I know it can be paralleled / stacked. Sol-Ark also has a 15K model coming out and I know that can be stacked.
Nope I don't follow the 8K all that much and don't follow the 5K at all, so I did not know it had that limitation.
Yet your speaking with authority about their business dealings with their manufacturer and about their products...
 

robby

Solar Addict
Yet your speaking with authority about their business dealings with their manufacturer and about their products...
Yep that is something that has come up in my conversation with Sol-Ark Sales and Service. Paralleling 8K units is not something that has ever come up. I have no interest since I don't own an 8K.
 

robby

Solar Addict
You have some awesome detailed knowledge of the inner workings of solarks bussiness dealings with deye...if i didnt know better i would think your financially linked.
Nope I have just been an Electronic Engineer designer for 35+ years so when I start talking to other engineers we tend to get along very well.
So who in the USA do you think is going to be interested in stacking 240V Deye units and using Autotransformers?
You suggestion that it will be all over for Sol-Ark makes absolutely no sense as Deye is not even a competitor for Sol-Ark in North America.
Also why are you harping so much on the 8K? Most people buying Sol-Arks are buying the 12K. The 12K does do 208V 3 Phase, so if you need that then buy a 12K. There is nothing you can do with a Deye 8K that you cannot do with a Sol-Ark 12K but there are several things you can do with a Sol-Ark 12K that none of the Deye hybrid Inverters can do.
 
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