Will, your current video "Quick Morning Rant: Chinese VS American Solar Products"

[svetz]

Lol...some mode deleted my post for being a political statement...

Having a personal opinion is great. But, political posts are not allowed and routinely deleted because they are generally off-topic and whatever political beliefs you have there are those willing to oppose you at the top of their lungs....which lead threads astray from the topic. However, Will's video is not about the president, democrats, or republicans.

But thanks for bringing it up... since wrong-doing seemed implied I reviewed the thread on your behalf and agreed with the mod that deleted your post. I also noticed, and deleted, another post that referred to a high-ranking political figure as a war criminal.

When all there is to this thread is a "political" statement...

Isn't that rich?

I know it can be confusing.
Debate on topics, even political ones, are encouraged (good thing, seems like everything is political these days).

But, once you start delving into a person's character or their motives (e.g., you're just saying that because you're antisolar, the Martians are all fat lazy terrorist war-criminal blood-sucking, hetero-bi- mono-sexualists, etcetera-ists) that's too far. On the forums, we care about the merit of ideas, not the merit of people.

So, posts that say things about members, political entities, or parties using innuendo with regard to motives/agendas/conspiracies/links-to-horror activities are routinely deleted as they incite others that listen to other side to respond and that tends to take the thread off-course. Great claims require great proof (e.g., a post calling a high ranking political figure a war criminal would require a link to their indictment/conviction in the Geneva courts and not the wild speculation of someone with an axe to grind and even with proof it shouldn't be posted willy-nilly in any old thread).

 

[Steve_S]

in the States (ignoring the typical "that's socialist and thus bad" comments you hear).

One must understand that in the USA, the vast majority cannot and do not understand that there is a HUGE difference between Socialist & Communist... This is a Hangover from the McCarthy Anti-Commie ERA which still resonates. Some (MANY) still want a Cold War and NEED a Big Bad Nasty Enemy to RAIL AGAINST and to use for Fear Manipulation. Remember the Hard Right does not use Dictionaries and their understanding is from Passed down verbal trash that has been folded, spindled & mutilated along the way.

Politics is a Farce... it really is, it's more about manipulation & control than anything else. Hahaha,,, keeping the Flag Waving herds in-line.
The real problem is Very Few Politicians are REAL PEOPLE, they are Silver Spooners from Political Dynastic Families for the most part. They have never had to go to work on the floor at the Steel Foundry to get a weekly paycheck that pays the rent, bills and buys the food & clothes for the family. NONE have had scrape by paycheck to paycheck and worry about how to pay the bills or kids braces. Very very few politicians can actually relate & understand what the Real Working Shrubs in the bush have to do to live. BTW: How many politicians can you spot that are not "obese" ? Even less than the very few who actually had Real Lives & Real Issues like regular everyday working Jane's & John's.

Spoiler: Global Obesity Levels 191 Countries (20 shown)

1	Nauru	61.0%
2	Cook Islands	55.9%
3	Palau	55.3%
4	Marshall Islands	52.9%
5	Tuvalu	51.6%
6	Niue	50.0%
7	Tonga	48.2%
8	Samoa	47.3%
9	Kiribati	46.0%
10	Micronesia (Federated States of)	45.8%
11	Kuwait	37.9%
12	United States of America	36.2%
13	Jordan	35.5%
14	Saudi Arabia	35.4%
15	Qatar	35.1%
16	Libya	32.5%
17	Turkey	32.1%
18	Egypt	32.0%
18	Lebanon	33.7%
20	United Arab Emirates	31.7%

REF LINK: https://obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/

 

[circus]

Imagine a world where people carry their own weight and push toward peak physical and mental health.

Practically, pulling yourself up by your boot straps is a myth. American prosperity the latter half of the 20th century is from the GI bill paying for education post WW2. Seventy five years ago. Our economy now is kin to a farmer selling off the top soil, future be damn. As for patriotism, being gouged $800 for an American made spray gun, that never works right, instead of a fine $50 Chinese spray gun does little for my economy.

 

[jvbutter01]

The inability to listen to other viewpoints is one of the most frustrating things about social "science".

A smart mind listens to others, gets 2 sides of an opinion. Only the closed mind is so weak they dont want other input.

@alfaeric
some times its conversation starters, that bring up a problem discuss give opinions that pushes some to think, and take action. Just because he didn't say "I'm starting a business" does not mean the comments are without merit.
Also being lazy and being an fat engineer is not Wills point. its more about how lazy America has become, sit at home, dont go look for a job because you have Uncle Joes money flowing in. Flowing more than when you were working. Thats the lazy attitude I think he is talking about. There are other examples of laziness, but this is big one for me. Companies are bringing in other workers from other countries due to there hard work ethic. the work ethic is strong with those leaving some less off countries trying to make it better here.

 

[jvbutter01]

I think the overall point that I really wanted to make is that people should not depend on others. Being able to self educate and work hard is ideal. I think self-reliance and a dose of skepticism can increase one's survival.

Imagine a world where people carry their own weight and push toward peak physical and mental health. That is the world I wish to live in.

exactly the point. if we all started to be more dependent on our selves, it would bleed into making America more independent and creative.

 

[Louis]

Will. Bravo. To my generation you just "Told It Like It Is'. I am 72 years old & it is refreshing to hear someone of your generation talking about something other than social issues. You are right in every respect & I agree with you totally. I have sent the link to this video to my congressman & I hope he watches it. I have sent it to everyone II know. Right On Brother.

Louis

 

[houseofancients]

The Single BIGGEST Reason for R&D, Manufacturing going OFF SHORE IS "Equity Investment Firms" They buy up companies & brands, amalgamate them and then the Bean Counters try to squeeze every fraction of a cent out of the companies & "consumers" with the Market Bears Pricing, which dictates that the price is set to the maximum amount the consumer will pay, regardless of cost or value. If a market does not bear that pricing, it is then lowered AND it is relative to the market. We can buy the exact same product, brand label, in different regions / countries for different prices because that is what "their market" will bear.

There are a LOT of Brands out there that USED TO BE independent individual companies but have all been bought up and managed by Large Equity Firms now. They only care about ONE Thing is Maximizing profit.

like i mentioned.. unchecked , predative capitalism

 

[perceval]

Thing is, so many just want to be spoon-fed everything. Nobody wants to do research. They are quite happy when someone tells them what to do, even though the advice might be totally wrong.

And this is not limited to the USA. It is happening around the world.
I see a lot of new college kids who barely finish their studies, stay in their room at home with mom and dad, do not try to find work, are totally happy living with no dream, no future goals, as long as they have access to their Instagram account on their new smartphone.

 

[HOU_Castle]

Thing is, so many just want to be spoon-fed everything. Nobody wants to do research. They are quite happy when someone tells them what to do, even though the advice might be totally wrong.

And this is not limited to the USA. It is happening around the world.
I see a lot of new college kids who barely finish their studies, stay in their room at home with mom and dad, do not try to find work, are totally happy living with no dream, no future goals, as long as they have access to their Instagram account on their new smartphone.

Could it be parenting issue?

 

[jvbutter01]

I see a lot of new college kids who barely finish their studies, stay in their room at home with mom and dad, do not try to find work, are totally happy living with no dream, no future goals, as long as they have access to their Instagram account on their new smartphone.

I would love to know the number of REG's ( recent college grads) that get out to work vs those that as you said, stay home and milk mom n dad more or the state . Compare that now to 10yr and 20yr ago. I think the number is increasing. I see the same thing in my circle of life. Pretty sad.

Could it be parenting issue?

I think upbringing has alot to do with todays society.
.

 

[perceval]

Yes, I believe it is part of the problem.

I am a teacher, and I get parents come to me saying, "I can't get them off their smartphone, my kids get angry at me and I don't know how to handle them... can you take their phone away for me?"

Also, when I grew up, we would have to do something special to get a reward.
These days, kids tell their parents, "if you give me a new iPhone, I will study hard"
Well, they get their new phone, and of course, studying is a thing of the past. They are totally absorbed by their new phone... then, parents come crying to me, asking me to take their phone away....

 

[perceval]

I would love to know the number of REG's ( recent college grads) that get out to work vs those that as you said, stay home and milk mom n dad more or the state . Compare that now to 10yr and 20yr ago. I think the number is increasing. I see the same thing in my circle of life. Pretty sad.

It is a HUGE problem in Japan right now.
They even have a new word for it over there. Sorry, I forgot it!

Kids, who come back to parental home after their studies, and do not want to enter the workforce. They shack themselves in their room, eating instant noodles every day, and spend all their time online, either gaming or just following thousands of IG accounts.

 

[Will Prowse]

Finally able to catch up to the responses. I think I am hard on obesity mainly because I was obese. And I didn't mind it at all. I built robots and focused on coding, and being fat didn't seem to bother me much. But by the time I was 14, I was having chest pains and breathing problems. My family fat shamed me, and it was the best thing that happened to me. I gave it everything I had to lose the weight, and I did.

I did not see how much pain and suffering I was causing to my future self, and others around me. We all pay the price for an obese populace. It increases healthcare costs, for example. Would you rather have funds being allocated to type two diabetes, or kids with cancer? Also, heart disease and other obesity related diseases are literally the #1 cause of death here in America. And no one tells these people to stop! It is also getting worse, and I don't think our society will progress if their health gets any worse. It's frightening! Imagine if every single individual in industrialized nations were fit and healthy. I think the benefits would spill over to every aspect of our lives. Being fit increases brain function, stamina, ability to reproduce etc. How are people supposed to have children if they are too obese to have sex with another human? How can they raise their children and be a good parent if they can barely get out of a chair? How can they design and build rockets and batteries if they are gasping for air going up some stairs. I think it matters.

The whole point I wanted to make was not to bash on others, but for people to understand their role in our society and how their decisions affect everyone. And how being self-sufficient, and physically and mentally capable, makes a profound difference on the world. We all need to help each other, and blaming others for personal problems accomplishes nothing.

 

[houseofancients]

Thing is, so many just want to be spoon-fed everything. Nobody wants to do research. They are quite happy when someone tells them what to do, even though the advice might be totally wrong.

And this is not limited to the USA. It is happening around the world.
I see a lot of new college kids who barely finish their studies, stay in their room at home with mom and dad, do not try to find work, are totally happy living with no dream, no future goals, as long as they have access to their Instagram account on their new smartphone.

i believe this may hold true in some cases, but for a very small minority.

this has been spoon fed in to americans since the reagan/mc carthy era.

i used to believe the same when i moved to europe, turns out most people WANT to do better for themselves, but are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
very few make it out of such situations ( like will ) , but most just wither away.

again, checks and balances makes capitalism work for everyone, however , as soon as the check and balances are gone, human nature (unadulturated greed) takes over, and since there's only a limited amount of gold in pot, the more a few take, the less everyone else has..

this seems to work ( post era ww ii were the glory days of american middle class) untill people are fed with nonsense and all checks and balances are removed gradually ( post regan era).

then the pot lands in the hands of the happy few, and we're back to a pre great depression era, subsequently followed by another great depression and as it turns out, yet another

 

[Robert470]

“ dont go look for a job because you have Uncle Joes money flowing in. Flowing more than when you were working. “

Where were the Mod’s when it came to this??? Cause I can debate this all day long and I don’t think it was what Will was thinkin. Just saying.....

 

[wattmatters]

How can they raise their children and be a good parent if they can barely get out of a chair?

Just a nitpick. I know wheelchair bound and other mobility impaired people who make fantastic parents. You don't need to be athletic to be a great parent.

 

[wattmatters]

My family fat shamed me and it was the best thing that happened to me. I gave it everything I had to lose the weight and I did.

It may have worked for you, but it's highly counterproductive for many, especially in terms of the psychological harm such toxic aspects of family relationships create, which all too often becomes intergenerational. It's a form of abuse.

 

[12VoltInstalls]

“ dont go look for a job because you have Uncle Joes money flowing in. Flowing more than when you were working. “

Where were the Mod’s when it came to this??? Cause I can debate this all day long and I don’t think it was what Will was thinkin. Just saying.....

like i mentioned.. unchecked , predative capitalism

Capitalism is supposed to be “unchecked.”
Anything “checked” is by default an area ripe for corruption by the ‘predatives’ you oppose (and should) oppose.

i believe checks and balances makes capitalism work for everyone, however , as soon as the check and balances are gone, human nature (unadulturated greed) takes over, and since there's only a limited amount of gold in pot, the more a few take, the less everyone else has.

I don’t believe that to be supportable by data, statistics. History.

One can improve themselves in myriad ways. Dichotomous self-improvement isn’t really achievable in an isolated manner, however. While it isn’t a by-product of healthy living or even work ethic, it accompanies or perhaps is enabled by concerted good personal moral improvements.

A frequent co-exhibit of personal improvement is upward economic mobility. With that concoction one can find many MANY who have elevated themselves economically without committing the moral heresy of personal gain at the detriment of others. One can exhibit personal wealth gains at many levels- even multimillionaire levels- without committing moral atrocities.

One’s personal gain is not predicated by another’s loss or “losing.” That is a dichotomy not a cultural norm supported by data.

One offers a product or service or something of intellectual value. Potential consumers become aware of that product, service, or book. Or seek it out because they are looking to attain it. They willfully agree to exchange the ‘essence’ of their labor (a form of tender) for the object or service they desire, snd you agree to provide because you want to obtain the value you assigned to that portion of your production and therefore transfer the essence of someone else’s value/labor into your possessed value/labor and create a more widely tradable product (money) that you can accumulate- or spend at your will. Unregulated capitalism just happened. Nobody lost anything. No losers. Both parties gained what they desired in the exchange

So some enterprise does something immoral and “we” want a new law.

Sure, there are those that trample others on their “way up” but there are hundreds of years laws and precedent to deal with that, with criminals, with crooks. Capitalism isn’t the problem: human nature and our devolved culture is the problem. As with so many things in today’s context, you can’t legislate poor moral character or crooked mindsets away- making some illegal action/thing MORE illegal doesn’t reduce the heartless perpetrators commission of the crimes. “Limiting capitalism” by definition: isn’t. Capitalism. Anymore.


Will’s post homes in on a cultural problem that has led us to today (and chinese products). I think the points made are homogeneous regardless of marxist or conservative or whatever dichotomy or mindset one chooses. Soaking it wet in ‘capitalist’ ether sortof dilutes the personal responsibility / take action theme of the video. Imho

 

[houseofancients]

Capitalism is supposed to be “unchecked.”
Anything “checked” is by default an area ripe for corruption by the ‘predatives’ you oppose (and should) oppose.




I don’t believe that to be supportable by data, statistics. History.

One can improve themselves in myriad ways. Dichotomous self-improvement isn’t really achievable in an isolated manner, however. While it isn’t a by-product of healthy living or even work ethic, it accompanies or perhaps is enabled by concerted good personal moral improvements.

A frequent co-exhibit of personal improvement is upward economic mobility. With that concoction one can find many MANY who have elevated themselves economically without commuting the moral heresy of personal gain at the detriment of others. One can exhibit personal wealth gains at many levels- even multimillionaire levels- without committing moral atrocities.

One’s personal gain is not predicated by another’s loss or “losing.” That is a dichotomy not a cultural norm supported by data.

One offers a product or service or something of intellectual value. Potential consumers become aware of that product, service, or book. Or seek it out because they are looking to attain it. They willfully agree to exchange the ‘essence’ of their labor (a form of tender) for the object or service they desire, snd you agree to provide because you want to obtain the value you assigned to that portion of your production and therefore transfer the essence of someone else’s value/labor into your possessed value/labor and create a more widely tradable product (money) that you can accumulate- or spend at your will. Unregulated capitalism just happened. Nobody lost anything. No losers. Both parties gained what they desired in the exchange

So some enterprise does something immoral and “we” want a new law.

Sure, there are those that trample others on their “way up” but there are hundreds of years laws and precedent to deal with that, with criminals, with crooks. Capitalism isn’t the problem: human nature and our devolved culture is the problem. As with so many things in today’s context, you can’t legislate poor moral character or crooked mindsets away- making some illegal action/thing MORE illegal doesn’t reduce the heartless perpetrators commission of the crimes. “Limiting capitalism” by definition: isn’t. Capitalism. Anymore.


Will’s post homes in on a cultural problem that has led us to today (and chinese products). I think the points made are homogeneous regardless of marxist or conservative or whatever dichotomy or mindset one chooses. Soaking it wet in ‘capitalist’ ether sortof dilutes the personal responsibility / take action theme of the video. Imho

as you could have read, i never said capitalism a such is the problem, it is the predatory, unchecked and very unbalanced us version of it, as it has evolved since the late 70's , early 80's

the us population seem to think there is an endless pot of gold.
this may have been the case since wwII up untill about 2004-2005, what then followed was the credit crisis which was caused by a debt/earnings imbalance..
how was that solved ?
by going into more dept.

all good and well, but only possible due to the petrodollar...
guess what happens when oil becomes less important ?

anyway i could debate this for months on end, but that seems pointless, so i'll stick tonsolar stuff

 

[CaseyB]

Capitalism is supposed to be “unchecked.”
Anything “checked” is by default an area ripe for corruption by the ‘predatives’ you oppose (and should) oppose.




I don’t believe that to be supportable by data, statistics. History.

One can improve themselves in myriad ways. Dichotomous self-improvement isn’t really achievable in an isolated manner, however. While it isn’t a by-product of healthy living or even work ethic, it accompanies or perhaps is enabled by concerted good personal moral improvements.

A frequent co-exhibit of personal improvement is upward economic mobility. With that concoction one can find many MANY who have elevated themselves economically without committing the moral heresy of personal gain at the detriment of others. One can exhibit personal wealth gains at many levels- even multimillionaire levels- without committing moral atrocities.

One’s personal gain is not predicated by another’s loss or “losing.” That is a dichotomy not a cultural norm supported by data.

One offers a product or service or something of intellectual value. Potential consumers become aware of that product, service, or book. Or seek it out because they are looking to attain it. They willfully agree to exchange the ‘essence’ of their labor (a form of tender) for the object or service they desire, snd you agree to provide because you want to obtain the value you assigned to that portion of your production and therefore transfer the essence of someone else’s value/labor into your possessed value/labor and create a more widely tradable product (money) that you can accumulate- or spend at your will. Unregulated capitalism just happened. Nobody lost anything. No losers. Both parties gained what they desired in the exchange

So some enterprise does something immoral and “we” want a new law.

Sure, there are those that trample others on their “way up” but there are hundreds of years laws and precedent to deal with that, with criminals, with crooks. Capitalism isn’t the problem: human nature and our devolved culture is the problem. As with so many things in today’s context, you can’t legislate poor moral character or crooked mindsets away- making some illegal action/thing MORE illegal doesn’t reduce the heartless perpetrators commission of the crimes. “Limiting capitalism” by definition: isn’t. Capitalism. Anymore.


Will’s post homes in on a cultural problem that has led us to today (and chinese products). I think the points made are homogeneous regardless of marxist or conservative or whatever dichotomy or mindset one chooses. Soaking it wet in ‘capitalist’ ether sortof dilutes the personal responsibility / take action theme of the video. Imho

A thousand times this. ???