Half price electric cars

[Hedges]

You really going to carry a Generator around with you?

How many miles do you think a portable generator with a full tank of gas is gonna add to an EV?

Enough to reach the next charging station.

Plug-in hybrid

And done this way, can be full performance, hundreds of additional miles, fast fill-ups on the road.

I think a couple 20 lb. "Blue Rhino" propane tanks would be good. Unlike gas won't go bad with age. When one is empty, can be swapped at many locations (or refilled at some.) Should drop into a pocket in the trunk/frunk that vents only outside the car, not inside, for safety.

Hybrid would reduce fuel consumption (assuming renewable charging) compared to using pure EV and pure ICE vehicles. More important, it would make 40 to 80 mile all electric range EVs quite practical. Then 6 people could drive a Volt, 95% on electricity, instead of one person driving a Tesla 100% on electricity while 5 others drive an ICE car 0% on electricity.

 

[billvon]

As of yet, EV's just don't save their owners money except in a handful of short-trip only scenarios where you can always charge from home.

This will always be the case.

Ours definitely save us money. My daily driver (a Prius Prime) is driven in 100% EV mode for all my commuting, shopping and kid pick upping. Only time I ever use gas is for long trips (i.e. Vegas.) And it was cheap - $28K.

My wife has put 150K miles on a Model S that we got for a _very_ good price 9 years ago.

 

[Checkthisout]

Eh, so were the first gas powered delivery trucks. Companies bought them to show how futuristic and progressive they were, and the gas trucks were featured in their ads. All virtue signaling. At least until the infrastructure (roads, refineries and garages) caught up - then they started making more financial sense than horses.

Yes, I'm sure this is accurate.

 

[billvon]

Stored energy in general is the issue. I have a truck that had sat for over a year. Put the battery in that I had taken out, cranked it over, and it started up. I can leave my car sitting outside in below zero weather for weeks and go out and start it right up. Can't do those things with an EV

I think you are more likely to get an EV to "start" than a gas car in those conditions. Range will be decreased of course. But an EV doesn't have to try to spin an engine full of oil the consistency of asphalt.

 

[Checkthisout]

Ours definitely save us money. My daily driver (a Prius Prime) is driven in 100% EV mode for all my commuting, shopping and kid pick upping. Only time I ever use gas is for long trips (i.e. Vegas.) And it was cheap - $28K.

My wife has put 150K miles on a Model S that we got for a _very_ good price 9 years ago.

A prius prime isn't an EV, it's a hybrid with a big battery and charging port.

 

[billvon]

are there ones that can be plugged into regular 15-20 amp outlets?
I think it's weird to be so eager to fast charge, when slow is better for battery.. Talking of course about the 8-14 hours someone parks their car at home every day

Yep, all of them. Keep in mind that for most batteries, C/2 is considered a "normal rate" charge. So a 50 amp charger is going to be a slow charger for most EVs.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Well the genny was a joke. But it could get you out of a bind. Now if they ever make a solar car then I’m in. I can haul ass while the sun is up. Sorry honey have to pull over the sun is going down. Maybe I can find a good restaurant and a beer.

That was Directed at Hedges since he said it was a good idea.

I knew you were joking.

 

[Tulex]

My 40' motorhome will weigh like 60,000 pounds just from batteries to get me from campground to campground.
But then, tree huggers don't think about that, they camp in tents.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Enough to reach the next charging station.



And done this way, can be full performance, hundreds of additional miles, fast fill-ups on the road.

I think a couple 20 lb. "Blue Rhino" propane tanks would be good. Unlike gas won't go bad with age. When one is empty, can be swapped at many locations (or refilled at some.) Should drop into a pocket in the trunk/frunk that vents only outside the car, not inside, for safety.

Hybrid would reduce fuel consumption (assuming renewable charging) compared to using pure EV and pure ICE vehicles. More important, it would make 40 to 80 mile all electric range EVs quite practical. Then 6 people could drive a Volt, 95% on electricity, instead of one person driving a Tesla 100% on electricity while 5 others drive an ICE car 0% on electricity.

Well. It’s your car.

 

[Bob B]

The morons who own gas stations just need to put in a few car chargers. Nothing about their business model has to change ... i.e. sell gas or electrons at mostly break-even prices and keep making a killing on the convenience store items and bad food they already sell.

I agree with most of your reply ..... just not sure I understand why you thought it was necessary to call gas station owners morons.

Seems like it must be a huge business opportunity for Pakistani's.

 

[billvon]

Turbines only have one moving part and my guess is they are more efficient and that is why we see them also being used in power generation.

Definitely not more efficient. That's why small aircraft, cars, small to mid size boats and even medium scale (up to about a megawatt) generators use piston engines.

Turbines shine in terms of power density (kilowatts per pound AND kilowatts per cubic meter) which is why they are used in very large power systems and large aircraft. Also, if you use the waste heat from a combustion turbine to drive a heat engine, you can get the same efficiency as you can with a reciprocating engine - and often exceed it. Combined cycle natural gas plants (turbine plus heat engine) have reached 55% thermodyamic efficiency; the best piston engines can do is about 40%.

 

[MTM98290]

Exactly.

ESG strikes again.

 

[billvon]

A prius prime isn't an EV, it's a hybrid with a big battery and charging port.

Yep. But I use it as an EV.

 

[Hedges]

Well. It’s your car.

No my car/bike/truck/tractor are all pure ICE.

But I would consider hybrid or EV + range extender when unable to fix them.
Until then, I consider sales tax, registration, insurance, purchase price, and $800 for a DIY overhaul or less for minor repairs wins out every time.

Having an extra vehicle for electric powered commuting doesn't make financial sense for me (due to government requirements), so only something like PHEV for me. Without the regulation (mandatory costs) I might add a pure EV to our fleet.

 

[wattmatters]

Forcing this while the product and infrastructure are not mature is the issue.

Every power outlet in the country is a charge point.

Not to be a party pooper but on here we have threads telling us not to charge our batteries at rates higher than .3C.

Yet we are expecting to be able to supercharge our lipo4 electric car without nuking its battery life?

These are not your typical home DIY battery cells, the battery cells used in EVs are designed for it. The vast majority of EV charging will be done at circa 0.1C or less in any case. For most people DC fast charging is an occasional thing and is not damaging.

Let’s magically make all land at gas stations 4 times bigger!!!

BP, one of the largest fuel retailers in Australia, are installing EV charge stations throughout their network.

https://www.bp.com/en_au/australia/home/products-services/bppulse.html

Pretty much all the major highway service centre stops have them, whatever fuel retailer they are.

Put up the solar or increased grid capacity for everyone to charge at home?

This is more misunderstanding of the role EVs will play on the grid.

And you think lithium mining doesn't draw parallels with asbestos?

No, it doesn't.

Australia is the largest lithium miner in the world, mined from spodumene (hard rock). Chile, Argentina and China harvest it from brine lakes. We also had, a long time ago now fortunately, a lot of asbestos mining, manufacture and use. Lithium and asbestos mining and use are as chalk and cheese as you can get. Lithium is highly recyclable. Asbestos on the other hand is causing us no end of long term grief.

 

[clayswen]

I’m curious. What does insurance run for an EV like a Tesla model 3?

 

[Brucey]

Was watching a doc on Elon last night on Netflix. There was one point where one of the ex factory workers at the Fremont factory were saying how they had such pressure to meet production quota for model 3s at launch that they'd take a 7 weld job and just give it two welds to shave a few seconds off or something like that. So totally rushed out the door and sort it out later, maybe. Quality just absolute garbage.

 

[Crowz]

So someone get me up to speed on what has happened in the last 12 hours.

So far I see that @Q-Dog and @Nobodybusiness are very close to round 15.

The plan for all of this that I heard over 15 years ago seems to be moving exactly as stated.
In stage one everything Gas powered will be moved over to Electric. Eventually It will become very expensive and undesirable to keep running anything on Fossil fuels. Soon after that it will be very hard and expensive to even get the fuel. Society will see anyone using gas for a private vehicle as a Pariah.
In the end days of Gas they will be using the same marketing campaign they used against the Cigarette companies. Just repackaged as a weapon against Hydrocarbons.

I remember as a kid in the winter driving in the back of my uncles car with my two cousins.
My uncle would have the Window up and go through half a pack of cigarettes during a 3 hour drive.
Today if a person lights up one cigarette and the wind even blows it into someones direction they will give the person a nasty stare and complain about how much it stinks. Things sometimes change very quickly.

Well I make my own cigarettes now since its 15 to 20 cents a pack this way with no funny chemicals in them

I guess I will solve my fuel needs the same way if that day comes. I can run my diesel on vegi oil now if need be and I can make ethanol fuel if it comes to that. I want an electric vehicle eventually but I will always have a gas and diesel burner to.

 

[Zwy]

Not ... at ... all. There are advantages and disadvantages to every technology out there. Companies hid the dangers of asbestos from the public so they could make money, and millions of people suffered for it. Same as oil companies today.

No, not oil companies but PFAS.

You would be surprised how much has been hidden about PFAS.

 

[Checkthisout]

Yep. But I use it as an EV.

So you have a short-range ev that needlessly spends energy carrying around a gas engine and all the requisite components that never get used.

Why didn't you just get an EV?