The vaccinated are more likely to catch Covid

[Shale MacGregor]

Your #1 problem is reading comprehension. I've said some things several times and you're just not able to get it.

I get it, you want to spout claims without proof and ignore when you are called out on blatant misinformation

If there's another generic drug that comes close to ivermectin's effectiveness, please educate us.

Aspirin comes close. So does sugar pill, and generic cough drops.

 

[Cdkipp]

These are the interim results from the large-scale Together Trial still going on. This study is analyzing numerous drugs in a large-scale study, double-bind and randomized. This is the same study that found the generic of Prozac to be effective in early treatment. Read it and weep BMcl.

Together Trial still ongoing but in a presentation to the National Institute of Health the researchers stated that the fluvoxamine (Prozac) trial showed reduced the relative risk of mild Covid by nearly 30%. Two groups; 739 get fluvoxamine and 733 get a placebo. Only 77 of the fluvoxamine-takers end up in the hospital; 109 of the placebo group do.

 

[BMcL]

I get it, you want to spout claims without proof and ignore when you are called out on blatant misinformation

Aspirin comes close. So does sugar pill, and generic cough drops.

So all that BS of yours about how ivermectin wasn't being blocked and now you admit you were just lying.
Last time I checked I could buy all of those easily except for one.

 

[Cdkipp]

Together Trial still ongoing but in a presentation to the National Institute of Health the researchers stated that the fluvoxamine (Prozac) trial showed reduced the relative risk of mild Covid by nearly 30%. Two groups; 739 get fluvoxamine and 733 get a placebo. Only 77 of the fluvoxamine-takers end up in the hospital; 109 of the placebo group do.

If this data holds fluvoxamine will be only the second repurposed drug that works for early Covid. Budesonide a steroid (once marketed as Rhinocort) is the other. Dexamethasone and Remdesivir are also repurposed Covid drugs but indicated for the severly ill and hospitalized.

 

[Shale MacGregor]

So all that BS of yours about how ivermectin wasn't being blocked and now you admit you were just lying.
Last time I checked I could buy all of those easily except for one.

U wot M8?

 

[Cdkipp]

If this data holds fluvoxamine will be only the second repurposed drug that works for early Covid. Budesonide a steroid (once marketed as Rhinocort) is the other. Dexamethasone and Remdesivir are also repurposed Covid drugs but indicated for the severly ill and hospitalized.

So once again in words not a graph. Of 677 people with Covid who got 400 micrograms per kilogram of weight per day for three days, 86 ended up in the ER or hospital; of the 678 people who got a placebo, 95 went. That’s not a statistically significant difference.

 

[Cdkipp]

U wot M8?

I think he has finally snapped. You know BMcl aspirin, sugar and cough drops arent really effective. Right?

 

[BMcL]

VACCINES HAVE FAILED. IT’S TIME FOR THERAPEUTICS​

by Dr Michael Goodkin

A small excerpt :
NIH’s strategy allowed us to give the vaccines a fair shot. They just aren’t good enough in this author’s opinion. While they appear to reduce death and hospitalization the long-term prospect is uncertain for them. Perhaps they offered Pharma time to develop therapeutics? The drug companies came through. The combination of drug company therapies plus repurposed drugs should allow us to win against COVID in the long run. It might also give us time to go back to the drawing board and develop the kind of vaccines we really need. NIH will say the vaccines prevented many deaths and a lot more people would have died in the long run if the antivirals had not been developed.

At this point, the government knows vaccines long-term are not the answer and have embraced drug company therapeutics which look quite promising. The government spending billions on them isn’t such a big deal if they work and are safe. If the government can get most infected people to take the drugs very early, they will wind up with little serious illness, a lot of natural immunity, little, long COVID and a good shot at “herd immunity”. The caseload will drop dramatically in the US and government expenditures will eventually be modest. The benefit to the economy and the wellbeing of Americans—and others around the world–cannot be overstated.

VACCINES HAVE FAILED. IT’S TIME FOR THERAPEUTICS

Note that views expressed in this opinion article are the writer’s personal views and not necessarily those of TrialSite.

trialsitenews.com

 

[Cdkipp]

So once again in words not a graph. Of 677 people with Covid who got 400 micrograms per kilogram of weight per day for three days, 86 ended up in the ER or hospital; of the 678 people who got a placebo, 95 went. That’s not a statistically significant difference.

Again the standard we are working with here is not whether ivermectin might have some marginal impact, BMcl and Bob are saying we would not have Covid in this country if only this pil were given.

 

[Cdkipp]

VACCINES HAVE FAILED. IT’S TIME FOR THERAPEUTICS​

by Dr Michael Goodkin

A small excerpt :
NIH’s strategy allowed us to give the vaccines a fair shot. They just aren’t good enough in this author’s opinion. While they appear to reduce death and hospitalization the long-term prospect is uncertain for them. Perhaps they offered Pharma time to develop therapeutics? The drug companies came through. The combination of drug company therapies plus repurposed drugs should allow us to win against COVID in the long run. It might also give us time to go back to the drawing board and develop the kind of vaccines we really need. NIH will say the vaccines prevented many deaths and a lot more people would have died in the long run if the antivirals had not been developed.

At this point, the government knows vaccines long-term are not the answer and have embraced drug company therapeutics which look quite promising. The government spending billions on them isn’t such a big deal if they work and are safe. If the government can get most infected people to take the drugs very early, they will wind up with little serious illness, a lot of natural immunity, little, long COVID and a good shot at “herd immunity”. The caseload will drop dramatically in the US and government expenditures will eventually be modest. The benefit to the economy and the wellbeing of Americans—and others around the world–cannot be overstated.

VACCINES HAVE FAILED. IT’S TIME FOR THERAPEUTICS

Note that views expressed in this opinion article are the writer’s personal views and not necessarily those of TrialSite.

trialsitenews.com

Not going to go there. Not a study. Just avoids the issue. Here is the graphic if you missed it. The issue before us is whether ivermectin works.

 

[Cdkipp]

In case you missed it BMcl here are two graphics. One is from Spectrum Hospital sytem in west Michigan and shows the relative effectivemss of vaccine vs non vaccine. The other is from Pfizer presentation this week to FDA on the booster showing it flatlining Covid at now 93 days out.

 

[Cdkipp]

In case you missed it BMcl here are two graphics. One is from Spectrum Hospital sytem in west Michigan and shows the relative effectivemss of vaccine vs non vaccine. The other is from Pfizer presentation this week to FDA on the booster showing it flatlining Covid at now 93 days out.

As Pfizer graph shows, people are responding much more quickly to the booster shot and this may hold. The booster shot is triggering the secondary immune response which invovles memory B cells. These then stand by ready to produce antibodies when needed.

 

[BuffaloTrace]

Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning

Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (pe

www.ahajournals.org

Recent Lancet publication

COVID-19: stigmatising the unvaccinated is not justified

In the USA and Germany, high-level officials have used the term pandemic of the unvaccinated, suggesting that people who have been vaccinated are not relevant in the epidemiology of COVID-19. Officials’ use of this phrase might have encouraged one scientist to claim that “the unvaccinated...

www.thelancet.com

 

[Hedges]

Not sure how tobacco is even legal at this point.

Something about a Goose and a Golden Egg?

 

[MurphyGuy]

Why don't we surcharge every Biden voter to pay for the healthcare of these millions of border crossers ?
What do they cost us for a life time of healthcare ?

What we should really do is surcharge and tax every anonymous poster on the internet who spews fake news and misinformation..

 

[Hedges]

Interesting that the type of person attracted to law enforcement has a strong aversion to the vaccine.

Or to firefighting.

So once again in words not a graph. Of 677 people with Covid who got 400 micrograms per kilogram of weight per day for three days, 86 ended up in the ER or hospital; of the 678 people who got a placebo, 95 went. That’s not a statistically significant difference.

But if that's for treatment of Alzheimer's and is expensive enough, FDA will approve it

More Alzheimer’s drugs head for FDA review: what scientists are watching

Eli Lilly and other pharma firms have begun submitting their anti-amyloid drug hopefuls for approval. But questions linger over the controversial precedent set by Biogen’s aducanumab.

www.nature.com

 

[BMcL]

Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning

Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (pe

www.ahajournals.org

Recent Lancet publication

COVID-19: stigmatising the unvaccinated is not justified

In the USA and Germany, high-level officials have used the term pandemic of the unvaccinated, suggesting that people who have been vaccinated are not relevant in the epidemiology of COVID-19. Officials’ use of this phrase might have encouraged one scientist to claim that “the unvaccinated...

www.thelancet.com

The pro-vaccine people believe it's ok to force people to be vaccinated. Allowing illegals to come in and not be vaccinated is ok.
The unvaxed should be fired because they can carry covid. The vaxed carry covid too but that's ok.
We are discovering problems with the mRNA vaccines and with multiple booster shots, who knows what health problems await us.
Is it wise to continue down this path when we have available therapies we could easily test that are being intentionally slow-walked ?

 

[Shale MacGregor]

The pro-vaccine people believe it's ok to force people to be vaccinated. Allowing illegals to come in and not be vaccinated is ok.

Because vaccines have never been required before?

The unvaxed should be fired because they can carry covid. The vaxed carry covid too but that's ok.

The unvaxed are more likely to get covid, hence more likely to spread it, and it is because of a choice they made, at will states both parties can choose to separate.

We are discovering problems with the mRNA vaccines and with multiple booster shots, who knows what health problems await us.

Wow, "problems". With precise scientific descriptions like that you obviously know what you are talking about. Boosters are nothing new and you continue to ignore how the immune system works. Source on these "problems" that isn't a blog post, please?

Is it wise to continue down this path when we have available therapies we could easily test that are being intentionally slow-walked ?

When a treatment doesn't show much potential it gets back-burnered compared to others. I wonder why Ivermectin hasn't gotten as much attention as other generics that are showing promise?

 

[BMcL]

What we should really do is surcharge and tax every anonymous poster on the internet who spews fake news and misinformation..

Yeah, with liberals controlling the media we know how that would go.
Censoring everyone who disagrees, preventing the use of generic medicines under the guise of "protecting" us,
this pandemic has been a nightmare thanks to the marxists in charge.

 

[BMcL]

Because vaccines have never been required before?

Show me where there's been a vaccine mandate for a disease that kills less than 1% ?

Shale : When a treatment doesn't show much potential it gets back-burnered compared to others. I wonder why Ivermectin hasn't gotten as much attention as other generics that are showing promise?

Maybe because you believe they are sincere and are not corrupt ?
You don't seem to question anything they say, even when they have a clear benefit to discredit a generic like ivermectin.