The vaccinated are more likely to catch Covid

[grizzzman]

What we should really do is surcharge and tax every anonymous poster on the internet who spews fake news and misinformation..

Yes suppressing free speech that doesn't agree with what you believe. "My way or the highway" Then taxing people to suppress what they think. Are you a Social Justice warrior?

 

[BMcL]

Scott Adams is the creator of the cartoon Dilbert.
He explains the divide we have on this forum. Some totally believe everything they're told every day by our media.
I don't :

Scott Adams :
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I think a lot of people have hit a wall
...

We used to think that official data from government and big companies was probably mostly honest and sufficiently accurate, even if it had some problems. Do you believe that anymore?

I think now we believe that all data is fake. Because it mostly is. Maybe not intentionally, but there's always some context left out or something. I think we're now more likely to think that all data is fake as the default assumption. Whereas, it used to be the opposite. Just a few years ago.

Just a year ago a lot of people--smart people!--would have said the Second Amendment doesn't protect you from your government, because the government has better guns. Do you believe that now? Today, does anyone believe that guns are NOT the only thing keeping us from being Australia? I think Australia gave you all the learning you needed on that. The lockdown that Australia is experiencing, that can't happen here in America--because of the Second Amendment.

And then, of course, the Russian Collusion Hoax taught us that there's no limit to government corruption. I honestly thought there was a limit. ... When the people on the Right were first talking about the Russian Collusion Hoax being a Hillary Clinton paid operation with the Deep State behind it, CIA was part of it, and all that--do you know what I thought? I thought, well, there's certainly something sketchy going on here, but it's not THAT bad. It's not like collusion between Intel agencies and Democrats. It's not THAT. But it was. It was every bit of that. The worst thing you can imagine that anyone could do to this country? They were doing it. It's the worst thing your government could have done to you--and they were doing it HARD.

So my understanding of how far my government would go to retain power and screw the citizens is way different than it was a few years ago. Now I know they'll do ANYTHING. I didn't think that before. And they'll tell any lie because they can get away with it. I didn't think THAT. I didn't think anybody would lie in public if it was easy to fact check them. Wrong. WRONG. You can lie all you want in public, cuz you've got your own fact checkers. ...

 

[MurphyGuy]

Yes suppressing free speech that doesn't agree with what you believe. "My way or the highway" Then taxing people to suppress what they think. Are you a Social Justice warrior?

The founders of this country never intended the 1st amendment to be used as a license to allow fraud. And while there is a fine line between differing opinions and outright fraud, in many cases, that line is easy to see.

This is one of them.

 

[MurphyGuy]

Yeah, with liberals controlling the media we know how that would go.
Censoring everyone who disagrees, preventing the use of generic medicines under the guise of "protecting" us,
this pandemic has been a nightmare thanks to the marxists in charge.

Yes, liberals control most of the big organizations.. they control most of the media, most large cities, and most of our biggest corporations...

Why do you think that is?

 

[grizzzman]

The founders of this country never intended the 1st amendment to be used as a license to allow fraud. And while there is a fine line between differing opinions and outright fraud, in many cases, that line is easy to see.

This is one of them.

I answered your question that you asked. Why did you not answer mine?

 

[MurphyGuy]

I answered your question that you asked. Why did you not answer mine?

Huh?

 

[Johnson]

Today, does anyone believe that guns are NOT the only thing keeping us from being Australia?

My first question is why you would think of resorting to violence if you can't get your way in a democracy and secondly do you really think you have a chance against the US military and police? The "crime" democrats are committing is trying to keep every one safe, including those who vote for the other party.

By the way, I have been to Australia a number of times, I can recommend taking the trip from Sydney to Brisbane, beautiful country and lovely people. If you think Australians are oppressed by their (conservative) government, you are seriously mistaken.

But I get it now, your opposition to the vaccine is based on sick partisan politics, it has nothing to do with evidence.

 

[BMcL]

Yes, liberals control most of the big organizations.. they control most of the media, most large cities, and most of our biggest corporations...

Why do you think that is?

Map of USA by who controls the counties :

The big cities are all democrat-run; mainly because urbanites tend to be liberal. Also, welfare recipients who vote democrat 95%+ live in cities.
Every large city in America is broke.
The democrat party of 2021 is going communist. JFK would be cancelled and he used to be their hero.
Anti-cop, anti-white, pro-socialism, pro-criminal, pro- high taxes and regulate things until they kill them. That's the modern democrat party.
I can't explain the leaders of corporations doing the things they do.
They have sold their souls for $$$ and to do whatever China wants, because it makes them $$$.

 

[BMcL]

If you think Australians are oppressed by their (conservative) government, you are seriously mistaken.

Their government isn't conservative. You are not informed

This is the one MELBOURNE PROTEST video they don't want you to see

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[Johnson]

The big cities are all democrat-run; mainly because urbanites tend to be liberal.

liberal noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

Definition of liberal noun in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary. Meaning, pronunciation, picture, example sentences, grammar, usage notes, synonyms and more.

www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com

Also, welfare recipients who vote democrat 95%+ live in cities.

Source?

Every large city in America is broke.

Maybe you guys should fund schools from federal taxes instead of property tax.

The democrat party of 2021 is going communist.

No it isn't https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/communism

JFK would be cancelled and he used to be their hero.

JFK was never a hero.

Anti-cop

Anti police brutality. (Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police.) https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

anti-white

Pro equality does not equal anti white. Speaking for myself, I am white and if you think I am anti white you are deluded.

pro-socialism.

Socialism is a set of political and economic theories based on the belief that everyone has an equal right to a share of a country's wealth and that the government should own and control the main industries. https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/socialism

Maybe you can tell me which parts you'd agree with, like roads are definitely a shared resource, what other ones would you think are a good idea?

pro-criminal

Really?

pro- high taxes

I have no problem taxing income over 1 million at 66% (many of us here would love to be in that tax bracket, although I wouldn't know what to do with all that money)

and regulate things until they kill them.

Like banning abortions?

That's the modern democrat party.

No it isn't. You really need to get a dose of reality.
The terms "left" and "right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution (republicans) to his left. Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on 'ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism', while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on 'notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism'

On a social level, the right generally believes that a hierarchy in society is natural and normal. For them, the idea of a class system whereby the richer employ the poorer in a triangle is healthy because everybody benefits and it has historically been the natural order
of things. Their economic policy (generally speaking) complements this, by promoting a form of capitalism which gives more economic freedom to big businesses. This means fewer regulations and lower taxes. They argue that as big businesses grow they create jobs for theworking class and gradually everyone gets richer.

The left on the other hand is more keen to reduce the gaps in society between the rich and the poor. They believe society should work together to help everybody, with schemes like single payer health care and education. They argue the rich should pay proportionally more for this through taxes, thus reducing the gap between rich and poor. They also prefer to regulate 'the Market', which means distributing the wealth created on the stock market and in banks so that it does not all end up in the pockets of millionaires but some of it goes to solving the country's problems.

The easiest way to think about it is the idea of 'State vs. Market'. The state is the government, using its power to solve problems that only the government can; healthcare, policing, schools etc. Those departments are the 'public sector'. The market is the capitalist force which creates wealth, such as business transactions and banking. This is the 'private sector'.

I can't explain the leaders of corporations doing the things they do.

The leaders of corporations are charged with maximizing profit for their companies, they are incentivized by high salaries and stock options. They do not have to have any interest in the welfare of you or me.

They have sold their souls for $$$ and to do whatever China wants, because it makes them $$$.

It is quite funny, you complain about democrats being communist and at the same time you accuse them making $$$.

You are making a fool of yourself. Please stop.

 

[Johnson]

Their government isn't conservative. You are not informed

The Liberal Party tends to promote economic liberalism (which in the Australian usage refers to free markets and small government), and social conservatism.

 

[MurphyGuy]

Map of USA by who controls the counties :

The big cities are all democrat-run; mainly because urbanites tend to be liberal. Also, welfare recipients who vote democrat 95%+ live in cities.
Every large city in America is broke.
The democrat party of 2021 is going communist. JFK would be cancelled and he used to be their hero.
Anti-cop, anti-white, pro-socialism, pro-criminal, pro- high taxes and regulate things until they kill them. That's the modern democrat party.
I can't explain the leaders of corporations doing the things they do.
They have sold their souls for $$$ and to do whatever China wants, because it makes them $$$.

Post a link to your map.

 

[Cdkipp]

Here is the pyramid of certainty used in analyzing medical research. If you notice one category not listed is: "Things BMcl pulls from his ass".

 

[MurphyGuy]

liberal noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

Definition of liberal noun in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary. Meaning, pronunciation, picture, example sentences, grammar, usage notes, synonyms and more.

www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com

Source?


Maybe you guys should fund schools from federal taxes instead of property tax.


No it isn't https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/communism


JFK was never a hero.


Anti police brutality. (Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police.) https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793


Pro equality does not equal anti white. Speaking for myself, I am white and if you think I am anti white you are deluded.


Socialism is a set of political and economic theories based on the belief that everyone has an equal right to a share of a country's wealth and that the government should own and control the main industries. https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/socialism

Maybe you can tell me which parts you'd agree with, like roads are definitely a shared resource, what other ones would you think are a good idea?

Really?


I have no problem taxing income over 1 million at 66% (many of us here would love to be in that tax bracket, although I wouldn't know what to do with all that money)

Like banning abortions?


No it isn't. You really need to get a dose of reality.
The terms "left" and "right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution (republicans) to his left. Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on 'ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism', while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on 'notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism'

On a social level, the right generally believes that a hierarchy in society is natural and normal. For them, the idea of a class system whereby the richer employ the poorer in a triangle is healthy because everybody benefits and it has historically been the natural order
of things. Their economic policy (generally speaking) complements this, by promoting a form of capitalism which gives more economic freedom to big businesses. This means fewer regulations and lower taxes. They argue that as big businesses grow they create jobs for theworking class and gradually everyone gets richer.

The left on the other hand is more keen to reduce the gaps in society between the rich and the poor. They believe society should work together to help everybody, with schemes like single payer health care and education. They argue the rich should pay proportionally more for this through taxes, thus reducing the gap between rich and poor. They also prefer to regulate 'the Market', which means distributing the wealth created on the stock market and in banks so that it does not all end up in the pockets of millionaires but some of it goes to solving the country's problems.

The easiest way to think about it is the idea of 'State vs. Market'. The state is the government, using its power to solve problems that only the government can; healthcare, policing, schools etc. Those departments are the 'public sector'. The market is the capitalist force which creates wealth, such as business transactions and banking. This is the 'private sector'.

The leaders of corporations are charged with maximizing profit for their companies, they are incentivized by high salaries and stock options. They do not have to have any interest in the welfare of you or me.


It is quite funny, you complain about democrats being communist and at the same time you accuse them making $$$.

You are making a fool of yourself. Please stop.

Wow.. you just stomped him into the dirt without mercy..

 

[Johnson]

Wow.. you just stomped him into the dirt without mercy..

Was not my intention, I really wanted to keep it civil (still do) but it just turned into a question about vaccines into some political rant we see on extreme right wing social media.

This guy is claiming cop hating liberals want to create a police state, he either lying, or is has his head to deep inside his own back orifice to realize he is spouting nonsense.

In any case, this is getting way out of hand and I recomend that this thread is deleted as it has no bearing on diy power generation or storage. If only to allow him to change his position without any one reminding him of what he said in the past.

 

[Cdkipp]

Was not my intention, I really wanted to keep it civil (still do) but it just turned into a question about vaccines into some political rant we see on extreme right wing social media.

This guy is claiming cop hating liberals want to create a police state, he either lying, or is has his head to deep inside his own back orifice to realize he is spouting nonsense.

In any case, this is getting way out of hand and I recomend that this thread is deleted as it has no bearing on diy power generation or storage. If only to allow him to change his position without any one reminding him of what he said in the past.

I agree it is time for this whole discussion to come down. This is simply a political trade combined with harmful misinformation.

 

[grizzzman]

Once again it is one sided. "My way or the highway"

 

[BMcL]

Wow.. you just stomped him into the dirt without mercy..

Really ? Sounded like liberal BS to me. Stomp away.....
Ever wonder why there are no successful liberals in talk radio ?
No one wants to hear their communistic ideas.
The reason we got side-tracked into politics is because this pandemic is political.
Masks don't work, young people don't need to be vaxed, and lockdowns do more harm than good.
Can we discuss that ? Absolutely NOT !

 

[Cdkipp]

Once again it is one sided. "My way or the highway"

My way or the highway would be asking just for one side's posts to be deleted as misinformation. What we are suggesting is that this entire thread should be deleted.

 

[Johnson]

What works for me is having a look at history and try to predict future scenario's. We are in for some big changes.

Self driving cars are going to make the garages we have obsolete as it will be cheaper for most people to call a "taxi".
Electric cars are going to affect the oil industry and the assets they have worthless, potentially triggering another banking crisis.
The excess of electricity generation during parts of the day will make hydrogen production dirt cheap and that hydrogen can be used to make steel and desalination cheaper.
There will be power outages for those without enough storage and we will need to substantially upgrade the grid if we want to provide power to less affluent populations.
Lab grown meat is going to put a lot of farmers out of business, again potentially triggering a banking crisis and a recession. Banks might consider not lending to the farmers in order top protect the banks and that will be a whole other problem.

There is going to be a lot of disruption, confused and angry people are not going to solve those issues. As the opposition to science is showing that they are more likely to create a civil war and a failed state. But if we work together, it could also have huge benefits to our enjoyment of life.