Its going to be a cold long dark winter.

[Fringe society]

This is the first forum I have joined.
I went on a rant with my first initial post. Apologies

I have been researching a wind and solar power system since last fall.

I was looking at the Tesup 5K wind turbine.
Good? Bad?

What I am looking for is a 48v system to power

-220V single phase for SEQ well pump
-1 horse sewage ejector.
-1/2 horse sump pump
-hot water system if possible not sure options I may have?

I am working on figuring out the loads need to run essentials.

It would also be nice to incorporate if possible but not absolutely necessary

-led lights
-fridge
-freezer
-tv
-misc small appliances when needed

Having difficulty figuring out all the components needed.
Compatibility
What brands / companies are good and which ones to stay away from.

Cheers

 

[John Frum]

I believe the near future potentially 2-5 years is going to be fairly dark.

What do you foresee?

 

[Old_Skewler]

Shawn, you

What do you foresee?

I think he is talking about the collapse of modern society.... maybe couple with a new wave of coronavirus zombies. I suspect a lot of people in these self-reliance forums may share some of these feelings... maybe not so much about zombies.

I want as much power as I can afford.
$10 000.00-$15 000.00
Supplys i am projecting will run short soon and prices will increase.

In sense a bit of urgency and desperateness and perhaps your intuition is spot on and shit is about to hit the fan everywhere. But if you are able to control your anxiety and slow down, I think you'll be able to get to a better final solution within a couple of months. But the process takes a lot of research and time. It is a lot of systems to be integrated and specs to be selected. A lot of reading manuals and specs and figuring out what works best for you.

One thing that could be easy to select now would be the batteries: if you know you'll be going with 48V (and I think that is a good path for you) then maybe you could start buying some package batteries. (4) 48V 100Ah rack batteries alone will cost you about $8K, so that's half of your budget. If you really believe the prices will jump on these, then lock them in now.

 

[Zwy]

Hi everyone
Please help me!!!!
I have on my own construction company for the last 25 years. I am well capable of installing, building, repairing almost anything.
We live on a hobby farm.
Our yearly break down is 90kw per day of electricity.

I think you need to actually measure what your critical base load is.

If for example, this includes HVAC loads, then you might not need a system this large. For SHTF scenario, you should be able to supply critical loads, luxuries come second. Alternative heat sources can be found that will drastically cut electrical loads.

……..::I’m not looking to size the system for my requirements!!…….

I believe the near future potentially 2-5 years is going to be fairly dark.
I have a family of 10 that I need to take care of.
I just installed a new SQE well pump.
I want to incorporate wind and solar together as I am in Ontario Canada and winters can be dark.
I was looking at the Tesup 5K wind turbine.

Wind might not be the best choice. Unreliable, high maintenance. My brother has wind, he also has a fully equipped machine shop. He is constantly upgrading components due to failures. Over time he has made some upgrades that have lasted but what good is wind in a SHTF scenario if the wind charger goes down?

I want as much power as I can afford.
$10 000.00-$15 000.00

You will not get close to a 90Kwh system for that money.

Supplys i am projecting will run short soon and prices will increase.
I am setting up a solar / wind system backwards to what everyone wants.
They all ask how much does the appliance pull that u want. I don't care!!
I have my budget to spend and it will power what it will power in these uncertain times

Basics needs

-48V system
-220v single phase for well pump
-SQE Grundfos well pump 90ft depth
-1 horse sewage ejector.
-1 sump pump
That would allow us to continue to live here independently

Bonus.

-led lights
-fridge
-freezer

I'd consider a fridge and freezer to be critical in SHTF.

-tv
-misc small appliances when able

Cheers.
I am looking to buy asap but need help on what to buy and all parts needed.
I already purchased 24 x 100amp renogy solar panels. I have nothing else purchased as of current.

That's 100W I'm certain, not 100A panels. That's 2400W. Wouldn't supply even 10% of your daily 90Kwh.

Cheers Shawn
519-949-2010
3419shawn@gmail.com

Slow down and take some time to not only learn but also to determine what exactly you will need for a system. Measure your critical loads for example, using a Kill O Watt meter for 24hrs per load and determine what it will take to run critical loads.

 

[DThames]

Do you have a generator, for those short dark days when the sun isn't doing much?

 

[MichaelK]

Our yearly break down is 90kw per day of electricity.

I want to incorporate wind and solar together as I am in Ontario Canada and winters can be dark.
I was looking at the Tesup 5K wind turbine.
I want as much power as I can afford.
$10 000.00-$15 000.00

OK, I spend 15k$ on my system, which IS powering what you are listing, so I feel I'm in a good position to give advice.

They all ask how much does the appliance pull that u want. I don't care!!
I have my budget to spend and it will power what it will power in these uncertain times

You'd better care, because with the strategy you are taking, most likely the system you build is NOT going to work.
Sounds like you are in panic mode, and are already making lots of serious mistakes. I can tell you right now that staying on the path you are taking is going to lead you to failure.

I am looking to buy asap but need help on what to buy and all parts needed.
I already purchased 24 x 100amp renogy solar panels. I have nothing else purchased as of current.

Here's an example of the first big mistake. Twenty-four 100W panels? How much did you pay for those? Using high-voltage grid-tie panels I can purchase 2400W for ~585$. I'm buying REC260W panels for 65$ each. Again, how much did you pay?

I was looking at the Tesup 5K wind turbine.

The comments on wind above I think are spot on. You appear to have the mentality of a "pen and paper" designer, not understanding the real-world limits of the equipment you are interested in. Most likely, under most real-world conditions, your 5000W turbine will be making ~500W.

Here's what I would recommend for you, based I what I already have, and know works
Schneider 6848 sine-wave inverter: ~3700$
Two Midnight200 charge controllers: ~1300$
18 260W REC grid-tie panels: 1170$ (your price will vary)
Midnight 6-bay combiner box: 160$
AC/DC power panel for the 6848: 600$
Six 8V Rolls-Surrette 568Ah batteries: ~7000$
Wire, breakers, connections, ice-cream, ect ~1000$

Total around 14,900$

 

[740GLE]

Do you have a generator, for those short dark days when the sun isn't doing much?

He has a family of 10, he seems well versed in keeping warm in the dark winter months ?

 

[Fringe society]

Shawn, you

I think he is talking about the collapse of modern society.... maybe couple with a new wave of coronavirus zombies. I suspect a lot of people in these self-reliance forums may share some of these feelings... maybe not so much about zombies.



In sense a bit of urgency and desperateness and perhaps your intuition is spot on and shit is about to hit the fan everywhere. But if you are able to control your anxiety and slow down, I think you'll be able to get to a better final solution within a couple of months. But the process takes a lot of research and time. It is a lot of systems to be integrated and specs to be selected. A lot of reading manuals and specs and figuring out what works best for you.

One thing that could be easy to select now would be the batteries: if you know you'll be going with 48V (and I think that is a good path for you) then maybe you could start buying some package batteries. (4) 48V 100Ah rack batteries alone will cost you about $8K, so that's half of your budget. If you really believe the prices will jump on these, then lock them in now.

Agreed
Thank You

 

[Fringe society]

He has a family of 10, he seems well versed in keeping warm in the dark winter months ?

Haha ?

 

[Fringe society]

What do you foresee?

Humm deep discussion there
So many Tentacles of collapse, failure and destruction
The perfect storm is swirling

 

[Fringe society]

I think you need to actually measure what your critical base load is.

If for example, this includes HVAC loads, then you might not need a system this large. For SHTF scenario, you should be able to supply critical loads, luxuries come second. Alternative heat sources can be found that will drastically cut electrical loads.





Wind might not be the best choice. Unreliable, high maintenance. My brother has wind, he also has a fully equipped machine shop. He is constantly upgrading components due to failures. Over time he has made some upgrades that have lasted but what good is wind in a SHTF scenario if the wind charger goes down?




You will not get close to a 90Kwh system for that money.



I'd consider a fridge and freezer to be critical in SHTF.




That's 100W I'm certain, not 100A panels. That's 2400W. Wouldn't supply even 10% of your daily 90Kwh.


Slow down and take some time to not only learn but also to determine what exactly you will need for a system. Measure your critical loads for example, using a Kill O Watt meter for 24hrs per load and determine what it will take to run critical loads.

Thanks for the feed back

I will confirm my critical base load is tomorrow ?

I was never expecting to build a system to power our consumption of 90kw per day on average

All I need to make life easer on the farm is to have power for the well, sewage ejector, sump pump, blower for furnace fan on our oil / wood furnace.

Everything else is a bonus.
Wish list is to include a fridge, freezer.

 

[Fringe society]

Shawn, you

I think he is talking about the collapse of modern society.... maybe couple with a new wave of coronavirus zombies. I suspect a lot of people in these self-reliance forums may share some of these feelings... maybe not so much about zombies.



In sense a bit of urgency and desperateness and perhaps your intuition is spot on and shit is about to hit the fan everywhere. But if you are able to control your anxiety and slow down, I think you'll be able to get to a better final solution within a couple of months. But the process takes a lot of research and time. It is a lot of systems to be integrated and specs to be selected. A lot of reading manuals and specs and figuring out what works best for you.

One thing that could be easy to select now would be the batteries: if you know you'll be going with 48V (and I think that is a good path for you) then maybe you could start buying some package batteries. (4) 48V 100Ah rack batteries alone will cost you about $8K, so that's half of your budget. If you really believe the prices will jump on these, then lock them in now.

I did modify my post kind of went on a rant this morning. Apologies

 

[Fringe society]

He has a family of 10, he seems well versed in keeping warm in the dark winter months ?

Yes we have a whole home gen.
Only good while you have acces and can afford propane.

 

[Fringe society]

OK, I spend 15k$ on my system, which IS powering what you are listing, so I feel I'm in a good position to give advice.


You'd better care, because with the strategy you are taking, most likely the system you build is NOT going to work.
Sounds like you are in panic mode, and are already making lots of serious mistakes. I can tell you right now that staying on the path you are taking is going to lead you to failure.

Here's an example of the first big mistake. Twenty-four 100W panels? How much did you pay for those? Using high-voltage grid-tie panels I can purchase 2400W for ~585$. I'm buying REC260W panels for 65$ each. Again, how much did you pay?



The comments on wind above I think are spot on. You appear to have the mentality of a "pen and paper" designer, not understanding the real-world limits of the equipment you are interested in. Most likely, under most real-world conditions, your 5000W turbine will be making ~500W.

Here's what I would recommend for you, based I what I already have, and know works
Schneider 6848 sine-wave inverter: ~3700$
Two Midnight200 charge controllers: ~1300$
18 260W REC grid-tie panels: 1170$ (your price will vary)
Midnight 6-bay combiner box: 160$
AC/DC power panel for the 6848: 600$
Six 8V Rolls-Surrette 568Ah batteries: ~7000$
Wire, breakers, connections, ice-cream, ect ~1000$

Total around 14,900$

I was thinking 10-15k.
Your $$& is US or CAN

 

[Hedges]

-tv

Humm deep discussion there
So many Tentacles of collapse, failure and destruction
The perfect storm is swirling

If this is for SHTF, do you anticipate the broadcasters also installing solar/wind power?

 

[HighTechLab]

I almost bought a Tessup, but I'm glad I didn't. I've read many reports of quality issues, where they just aren't meant to last. They sure are an appealing price, but you do get what you pay for.

 

[Fringe society]

If this is for SHTF, do you anticipate the broadcasters also installing solar/wind power?

No I do not.
However we have many moves and tv shows to potentially entertain us when we need a break or a pick up. Tv is not essential.

 

[Fringe society]

I almost bought a Tessup, but I'm glad I didn't. I've read many reports of quality issues, where they just aren't meant to last. They sure are an appealing price, but you do get what you pay for.

Did you go with wind or stay with solar?

 

[Fringe society]

I think you need to actually measure what your critical base load is.

If for example, this includes HVAC loads, then you might not need a system this large. For SHTF scenario, you should be able to supply critical loads, luxuries come second. Alternative heat sources can be found that will drastically cut electrical loads.





Wind might not be the best choice. Unreliable, high maintenance. My brother has wind, he also has a fully equipped machine shop. He is constantly upgrading components due to failures. Over time he has made some upgrades that have lasted but what good is wind in a SHTF scenario if the wind charger goes down?




You will not get close to a 90Kwh system for that money.



I'd consider a fridge and freezer to be critical in SHTF.




That's 100W I'm certain, not 100A panels. That's 2400W. Wouldn't supply even 10% of your daily 90Kwh.


Slow down and take some time to not only learn but also to determine what exactly you will need for a system. Measure your critical loads for example, using a Kill O Watt meter for 24hrs per load and determine what it will take to run critical loads.

Apologies for the rant I first posted.
I have since refined it.
You aren correct my typo error on solar panels

 

[robby]

I almost bought a Tessup, but I'm glad I didn't. I've read many reports of quality issues, where they just aren't meant to last. They sure are an appealing price, but you do get what you pay for.

Wind Turbines only work well when scaled up into the Megawatt range, even then they require routine maintenance. The small ones produce very little power and constantly need repairs. My house is almost self sustaining, I got Solar, plus a river and farm within walking distance and Ham Radio gear to keep in the loop. Even with all of that my plan is just to be able to go through months maybe a year of hardship. I have already experienced almost 6 months abroad without power and communication after a hurricane, so now I plan around what worked and did not work during that disaster.