if I was in wyoming I'd be doing wind only
Half price electric cars
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Gas got the worst under Obama and Biden. It was much better under administrations that were energy friendly. Heck everything was cheaper 2016-2020 before the current pResident and his (purposeful) train wreck.
Brucey
Solar Wizard
So this means power companies have infinite batteries?
42OhmsPA
What's in a title?
I believed in the boogie man when I was a little boy.
With massive battery banks of course.
1600S1000P at a minimum.
Hardly the same thing and you know that.
Unless you expect to have super giant batteries capable of storing enough from summer sun to have excess to use in winter... holy crap that is a lot of batteries.
MTM98290
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Free markets can still have laws. It is when the government and corporations join together to design, implement, and enforce laws in a coordinated way that problems arise.
wattmatters
Solar Wizard
Some almost do (e.g. massive hydro storage), but infinite batteries are not required.
Hertz is ditching (some?) electric cars in part because companies like Tesla don't give volume discounts to Hertz. At to that that in China there is a price war going on between the 300+electric car manufactures and profits are dropping. IF other countries allow car imports from China, (under a free market they would) The traditional companies are in a world of hurt as they are too slow to innovate.
gas absolutely skyrocketed and went insane in 2007-2008 wtf you talking about
ban lobbyist then
In reality that is correct, should we call them regulated markets? (Which is something a few people here are aggressively against)
I have a problem with corporations having so much influence on government. I hear that in the US they can donate money to the political campaigns of politicians and in return those politicians will give subsidies to those corporations well in excess of the campaign contributions. Add to that their news media is privately owned, which means advertising dollars can and do prevent the news media pointing out the real issues in an unbiased way.
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wattmatters
Solar Wizard
Hydropower is seasonal energy storage. Pumped hydro is weeks, batteries hours. We are building large pumped hydro for just this purpose. Massive batteries are going up at a rate of knots.
Places unable to have sufficient renewables + storage can use nuclear.
Just need to end coal and most gas where possible for grid energy generation. Gas should be saved for applications that cannot be transitioned economically (e.g. many industrial processes).
green mountain boys
Solar Enthusiast
Where are you getting this from?
| Year | National Average Gas Price (Dollars/Gallon) Then | National Average Gas Price (Dollars/Gallon) In 2022 Dollars |
|---|---|---|
| 1978 | $0.63 | $2.85 |
| 1979 | $0.86 | $3.52 |
| 1980 | $1.19 | $4.25 |
| 1981 | $1.31 | $4.25 |
teal95
Solar Enthusiast
What's the obesity from? I'll give you a hint, it's something specific to BEVs. Modern ICE cars are tanks also but batteries put EVs on another level.
Are you literally only talking about gas here or both of them?
I got gas from the prices here. 35 cents to who the hell knows somewhere around 4
hell even in 1999 gas was still 85 cents all over colorado mountains
green mountain boys
Solar Enthusiast
You said "gas has gone up 12x in 40-50 year"
Please explain this. I purchased a lot of fuel back then and I don't believe this is true. I posted National Average prices and price adjusted for inflation.
Right, I recall that in 2008. Some smug Prius owner tried gloating at the gas station about his mpg until I pointed out I still got upper 20s out of a car that cost me only $3500 and asked him what his car payment was.
But the highest I've paid for gas was during Obama and Biden. I paid over $4 sometime in 2010 or 2011 I think it was. Near $5 under the current clown show a year or two back. Came back down some but still higher, and been edging up again recently.
and I asked if you were talking about only gas or both of them..
and then I did explain it
need to be linked to my post again?
Yep, people buying those insanely priced cars will never see a return
I still have my car from the 1990s, still runs fine. Cost me ~4k as well
Remember when diesel was cheaper than gas pre bush? the good ol' days
Yeah not sure why diesel is so high now. Demand is part of it. Stricter regs? And then..no clue.
Also, the 10 cents difference between grades is looong gone. My toy car needs mid grade and it is like 40 cents more per gallon now. Blah.
Also, the 10 cents difference between grades is looong gone. My toy car needs mid grade and it is like 40 cents more per gallon now. Blah.
OffGridForGood
Catch, make or grow everything you can.
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The interglacial periods are short, the glacial periods are far longer - the graph above has the temps invertered I expect.
We are not (today) under two miles of ice, in a glacial period, we are in the latest interglacial period -ie the short warm period between ice ages.
If the pattern were repeating as ice cores indicate in the past, it should be getting colder every winter at this point in the cycle.
The missing 10c grade difference is infuriating lol.
I still pay it but sheesh. Although if I can find an ethanol free station I go there over getting blended premium
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