Off-grid: illegal in Florida?
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BarracudaBob
Harvesting free photons from clean fusion
Storage is one thing but charging is another. Manage your loads and HVAC by not trying to keep the entire house going as usual. Solar, Grid, or
500-1000 gallon propane tank with a generator is your temporary answer
500-1000 gallon propane tank with a generator is your temporary answer
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Daddy Tanuki
Solar Wizard
9 months later but I had to address this. a homemade CIWS firing a 6 barreled .22 rimfire cartridge should be adequate to keep the scumbags away form it... that Or some home made claymores.How exactly are we supposed to build a fortress style bunker if it's electricity can be simply shut down from the outside?
ArthurEld
Solar Wizard
Hardly seems worth it to save $20 / month. Especially since the grid supplies so much convenience.
OffGridForGood
Catch, make or grow everything you can.
$20/mth?
If the average home is using 1,000kWh per month, at an average cost of 15-cents per kWh - isn't this 150 per month? (and then again a lot of homes use more than 1,000kWh per month running A/C)
Maybe I missed what you mean?
ArthurEld
Solar Wizard
I was saying that if I made my on grid house off grid, I would save $20/month because all of the energy I use is from solar.
If I was to go completely off grid it would be a huge expensive pain in the ass to save $20/month. Being connected to the grid has many benefits. I decided to keep the connection
ksmithaz1
Solar / EV Junkie
And when you look at it this way, $20/mo is cheap insurance. $250/year for access to a grid seems rather small in the big picture. YMMV.
It's $32/mo minimum bill which gives you 239 kWh per month to use or lose.
Quattrohead
Solar Wizard
The minimum charge here ends up being just short of $30 a month but that does not give you x amount of kilowatt hours to use, you're paying extra for those on top of the minimum fee structure.
This new house was designed from day one to be fully off grid and the town were on board with it all the way up until the pre-power inspection, when they suddenly changed their mind. We are having some serious discussions about it now.
This new house was designed from day one to be fully off grid and the town were on board with it all the way up until the pre-power inspection, when they suddenly changed their mind. We are having some serious discussions about it now.
Ampster
Renewable Energy Hobbyist
That makes the $24 a month proposal in California seem small in comparison. That is until you compare kWh rates?
Interesting. Can you post a screencap of your bill details? I hope one day to test this minimum bill deal myself (which should be around Dec-Jan if put my panels up on the roof).
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Except that everyone pays this minimum bill here, rich or poor.
OffGridForGood
Catch, make or grow everything you can.
I do this as well. Mostly due to the northern lat / crappy overcast Nov-Dec period.
Converting to USD I pay a minimum monthly charge (ie if zero kWh used) of $25 USD for the connection.
As you say low cost back up system - doesn't take a lot of fuel in a generator to be at least this amount.
ArthurEld
Solar Wizard
Duke charges $30/month min but they give us $10 off for charging our EV at night so we pay $20/month.
BarracudaBob
Harvesting free photons from clean fusion
you have to look at your break even cost for the solar. I have battery backup and that justified the system expense to have have the system. Payback time is 8 years at current rate.
Backup Power with solar charging benefits and piece of mind. A few more panels and price will keep going down.
Backup Power with solar charging benefits and piece of mind. A few more panels and price will keep going down.
OffGridForGood
Catch, make or grow everything you can.
With utility rates (likely) increasing, the payback will be even shorter.
Daddy Tanuki
Solar Wizard
my thoughts: worst case scenario is get the absolute lowest priced service you can. if its a 50 amp service then do it. run it to the meter, have it power one or two outlets that are not critical, and a chargeverter. use solar for everything else. it has power from the utility, and its a non critical load. they never say how much of the house you need to power, only that you have the hookup.
FPL here is $26.98 for a meter fee. If you get some solar you can get a credit enough to wash that every month. I have not had a power bill in a very long time.
What do you mean 239kWh to use or lose? That's interesting.
That was from the link in my comment. I plugged numbers from my bill and got 101 kWh "use or lose".
| kWh: | 101 |
| base | $ 9.55 |
| non-fuel | $ 8.26 |
| fuel | $ 3.45 |
| serv. Tot | $ 21.27 |
| gs tax | $ 0.55 |
| fran fee | $ 1.31 |
| util tax | $ 1.89 |
| reg fee | $ 0.02 |
| tot | $ 25.04 |
Quattrohead
Solar Wizard
Except it doesn't work like that, as soon as a single unit of consumption is logged, you get charged for it on top of the minimum fee's.
Nobodybusiness
Solar Sponge.
Yea that last 10-20% of electricity in the winter is costly from a solar perspective.
I could go 100% off grid ( I am 100% non grid usage for 9 months of the year) but that would far outstretch the connect fee and usage during that time.
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