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Assuming you pay $0.12/KWh, can you ever come out ahead going full offgrid?

In 2007 I bought a 2.7kW set of panels and an 2.7kW Xantrex inverter, and the prevailing theory then was that prices were going up because of the demand in Germany. The panels were over $5 a watt. The only good news from that investment is there was a recall on those BP Solar panels five years later and after prorata adjustments the money I got from BP was enough to buy 3.6kW of new Canadian Solar panels.
 
My investment philosophy?

Tangibles . Two is one and one is none. Keep expanding infrastructure.

Anything above that goes into rare metals that were made in the fractions of a second before a star went supernova and of what is on earth, mostly resides at the core. And of which have monetary and industrial demand.
I right there with you brother
 
I was a freight pilot in the late 70's, early 80's. We would typically get approached on the Ramp late at night for side work. So, I was wondering if Red Bud IL is a real place :ROFLMAO:. If you are younger this will make absolutely no sense.

I've been trading in and keeping up with the real estate, financial market, trends and all of that for decades. Was involved way before the .com boom/bust and still in the game. However, in 2020 I felt the attack vectors were too numerous to understand at any sane level. This was probably the intent, to overwhelm with problems and create as many side distractions as possible. Hope, fear, rationality and insanity, all the cards are being played at once.

Buy Batteries! LOL
It is a real place and I’m getting old but it went right over my head.
 
A person can’t cover all the markers but I can do my best. If you think you’ll need it buy two. Get out of the markets yesterday. Precious metals for wealth preservation. Get as independent as humanly possible. Reliance on government or most anyone is a recipe for disaster. Don’t believe me just find some of these guys in Ukraine posting. They are scrambling for anything at any price.
 
Rather than all excess funds, maybe just pre-buy the tangible assets you anticipate needing.
I tend to disagree.
Any hard assets that won’t depreciate or at least have a chance of appreciation is what I get.

Let any funds not directly invested just sit in a bank and inflation will wipe it out.

Land, Homes, Ammo, Food, Tractors, fuel, Ect. In my case Solar panels, Inverters and batteries not because of appreciation but to offset energy usage.
Also to secure energy in a very uncertain time.
 
Golf cart and John Deere gator that’s what we use, the golf cart gets the most usage
We actually have a pretty nice golf cart that's at another property and we never use it anymore there. I need to replace the batteries. I guess that my be my next LiFePO4 project. That's assuming it makes sense. Even if I decide to sell it I have to replace the batteries to get anything out of it. I don't think we would use it much here. Maybe running to the mailbox but anything out in the pastures if it's even a little wet wouldn't work. That said, I think I'd really like some kind of electric 4WD utility vehicle. Charging it off the solar is a very attractive bonus.
 
Where is the major cost of the battery?

Their prices can only go down if there is continously improvements in manufacturing efficiency.

If the major cost of the battery are the raw materials they are composed of, then the price will only go up.
Transportation is a large part of the cost of all goods sold. But supply and demand rule the market.
 
We would like to buy a place with a lot more acreage but real estate prices are still too high, and couple that with higher interest rates now and it just isn't looking feasible.

I'll admit though that part of me wants more space simply because it would give me a reason to buy more solar stuff and convert a zero turn to LFP. Because why not use the sun to power the mower? Less work and maintenance long term than a gas one. And if the apocalypse happens, I can at least still have a neat lawn :ROFLMAO:
Our Ryobi zero turn electric mower, just happens to run on 48v. That was a happy coincidence. ;)
 
Our Ryobi zero turn electric mower, just happens to run on 48v. That was a happy coincidence. ;)
Ryobi has really stepped up their game. Pretty much across the board but especially with their 48V equipment. I have way too much to mow for something like that but I've looked at them multiple times and tried to find an excuse. How are you liking it?
 
Ryobi has really stepped up their game. Pretty much across the board but especially with their 48V equipment. I have way too much to mow for something like that but I've looked at them multiple times and tried to find an excuse. How are you liking it?
Had a few issues. To be expected for a new product. But everything has been warranty handled fairly well.
I know that it's counter productive, but I can't wait for the batteries to fail. So that I can do an LFP swap. lol
 
I see a lot of people now doing full house solar/battery and it looks appealing, esp the part going full off grid... But the numbers.... tricky.

My electric is about $0.12/KW and I'm in Orange, Tx, the utility averages about $168/Month on a 1200' house but but I can put up about 15 KW of solar panels.

I figure total cost with my setup would be about 64KW of batts and 13 KW of inverter power (dual inverters sungold power clone LV6548), and 15KW solar panels would be about $45,00.00 assuming I do most of the work.

That would be 22 or so years of electric bills (with inflation, I guess we could say 19 years), and that is assuming nothing breaks on the batts/inverters/solar panels We all know electric companies are basically paying nothing to buy back power so everyone is trying to use batteries but this seems like a very risky deal.

How are you factoring in the cost, or if you have reliable utility power, don't even bother with solar at all?
If it is independence that you want then cost is no issue. If you are worried about payback forget it.
 
Yes it has inflation is eating everyone’s lunch. My advice get out of the market for a while. 1 year ago I transferred my 401k out of the market into money market account. Has save me over 35% loss so far. If things improve I’ll get back in. Yes I’m loosing 3-5% due to inflation but I didn’t ride the market down.
Try high yield savings accounts. They have FDIC insurance and right now are paying 4%. I know it's not matching inflation, but if your goal is to avoid the market and keep 100% liquidity, they aren't a bad way to go right now.
 
It is a real place and I’m getting old but it went right over my head.
The side jobs were to fly into Mexico with a briefcase of money and swap the money for grass. I heard some horror stories about a couple guys that actually though it was a good idea and did it. Well, sorta did it, about half way, they did it. At the time, the best weed being imported was Red Bud. Flying night freight, you had to stay in the loop regarding all the good and bad stuff going on.
 
Try high yield savings accounts. They have FDIC insurance and right now are paying 4%. I know it's not matching inflation, but if your goal is to avoid the market and keep 100% liquidity, they aren't a bad way to go right now.
FDIC is a great illusion. Your funds are not safe in any banking institution. The FDIC is totally underfunded at less than 10% of their liability. So if a major banking crisis occurs good luck. Already we see BOA restricting withdrawals Canada is also. So you stay in the banks but good luck with that.
 
FDIC is a great illusion. Your funds are not safe in any banking institution. The FDIC is totally underfunded at less than 10% of their liability. So if a major banking crisis occurs good luck. Already we see BOA restricting withdrawals Canada is also. So you stay in the banks but good luck with that.
I just need to temporarily store the money because I am builidng a house and I have to be 100% liquid for the payment schedule. I have no option except getting a little or getting nothing.
 
I just need to temporarily store the money because I am builidng a house and I have to be 100% liquid for the payment schedule. I have no option except getting a little or getting nothing.
It’s completely your choice. I’m just warning everyone. Ultimately this will not end well and no one is coming to your rescue. Prepare wisely. You have a short window. You don’t want to end up on the wrong side of this. All institutions will be affected. If I had no choice the best bad option would be a local credit union. I survived the last 2 economic crises and lost zero during each. Not like most who rode both to the bottom.
 
Try high yield savings accounts. They have FDIC insurance and right now are paying 4%. I know it's not matching inflation, but if your goal is to avoid the market and keep 100% liquidity, they aren't a bad way to go right now.
We're getting 4.45% right now which, as you say, isn't keeping up with inflation but I don't think it's a bad thing to have some liquidity as part of your overall plan. Everyone's situation is different. But diversification has a lot of value in almost any situation. Some in stock (blue chip, dividend stocks only for me), some in cash, real estate, tangible assets, etc. We've done well in the past during the dot com crash and the housing crash in 2008 because we felt it was coming and moved things around. But that doesn't mean I have a crystal ball. I just try to focus mostly on the things I'm sure will happen, then some on the things that probably will happen, then if I have resources left put them toward things that maybe could happen. Going back to the original post, I don't know if there will be a great ROI on my solar but I'm sure I'm going to want electricity and I'm sure I would rather depend less on the utility company. So for me, like a lot of folks here, it's worth it even if the ROI isn't great. That said, I think I'll have a decent ROI and it's one more way to diversify some of our resources.
 
We're getting 4.45% right now which, as you say, isn't keeping up with inflation but I don't think it's a bad thing to have some liquidity as part of your overall plan. Everyone's situation is different. But diversification has a lot of value in almost any situation. Some in stock (blue chip, dividend stocks only for me), some in cash, real estate, tangible assets, etc. We've done well in the past during the dot com crash and the housing crash in 2008 because we felt it was coming and moved things around. But that doesn't mean I have a crystal ball. I just try to focus mostly on the things I'm sure will happen, then some on the things that probably will happen, then if I have resources left put them toward things that maybe could happen. Going back to the original post, I don't know if there will be a great ROI on my solar but I'm sure I'm going to want electricity and I'm sure I would rather depend less on the utility company. So for me, like a lot of folks here, it's worth it even if the ROI isn't great. That said, I think I'll have a decent ROI and it's one more way to diversify some of our resources.
Yes energy independence will be worth much more than you paid for it. Worse times are coming. The only real way to preserve wealth in this environment is gold and silver. History bears this out over centuries.
 
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