Half price electric cars

[Hedges]

I see Teslas on the road here inBoise Idaho area all day everyday. I would realky like to afford a 300-350mile ev. It would be used most of the time, our ice vehicles only for vacations.

How many miles do you drive most days?

Chevy Volt in Boise starting at $10k. That would cover around town pure electric and long trips on gas.
Or do you need a couple hundred miles per day?

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Clearly there are buyers so that is proof enough. It is going to be spotty. In Oregon EV sales are up 40% in 2023. One in every seven cars sold was an EV

Oregon has more electric power than it knows what to do with. Has curtailed wind generation, and retail electric rates average $0.1288/kWh.
So makes sense that people buy EV there. Helps also to have no sales tax.

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We in California pay more like $0.50/kWh, effectively 4x the price for "gas" when driving an EV.

Although only home charging would be cheap. This says charging stations in Portland are "average", $0.45/kWh

https://www.axios.com/local/portland/2024/03/21/electric-vehicle-charging-costs-portland

 

[MTM98290]

Hey, I just escaped from Taxachusetts, now I is Florida Man!

As a refugee, or a locust?

 

[Ampster]

Oregon has more electric power than it knows what to do with.

Whatever the motivation; high gas prices, low electric rates, no sales tax, those are just a few of the economic motivators. Despite high electric rates in California and sales tax I have owned or leased seven EVs in the past twelve years.

 

[MTM98290]

Whatever the motivation; high gas prices, low electric rates, no sales tax, those are just a few of the economic motivators. Despite high electric rates in California and sales tax I have owned or leased seven EVs in the past twelve years.

Meanwhile many have owned their vehicles for many years at a time, repairing them as necessary, not replacing them.

EVs are more like iphones than traditional cars.
There will come a time when no matter how much you desire to repair that device you will not be able to because they are no longer supported.

How many 30 year old EVs will there be in service in 2050?

I doubt many iPhone/android phones purchased today will be in full use in 2050. At least the surviving devices can be used as displays for the Victron Connect app or a weather station readout etc.

 

[Hedges]

Whatever the motivation; high gas prices, low electric rates, no sales tax, those are just a few of the economic motivators. Despite high electric rates in California and sales tax I have owned or leased seven EVs in the past twelve years.

That's interesting - I haven't acquired a single vehicle in the past 12 years.

My youngest just turned 25. My oldest, 76.

What is your annual cost of ownership excluding fuel/electricity?

One of mine has cost about $700/year, $60/month, for hardware. Not quite double including taxes, license, insurance.
A free hand me down of course less. Just consider the above one, for which I paid high book at 3 years old, for a fair comparison.

Meanwhile many have owned their vehicles for many years at a time, repairing them as necessary, not replacing them.

Exactly.

Major overhauls have cost me maybe $800 in parts and a few weekends. In a shop might have been $3000 or $5000. (for the working poor, swap of a junkyard part is the alternative.) Even for say 2 such overhauls during 20+ years ownership, only brings cost to about $100/month for the vehicle, $150 with all costs other than fuel, under $200 including fuel.

 

[Johneb]

How many miles do you drive most days?

Chevy Volt in Boise starting at $10k. That would cover around town pure electric and long trips on gas.
Or do you need a couple hundred miles per day?

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Search over 52 used Chevrolet Volt in Boise, ID. TrueCar has over 701,636 listings nationwide, updated daily. Come find a great deal on used Chevrolet Volt in Boise today!

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Oregon has more electric power than it knows what to do with. Has curtailed wind generation, and retail electric rates average $0.1288/kWh.
So makes sense that people buy EV there. Helps also to have no sales tax.

BPA Wind Curtailment Update | Generation, Transmission, Distribution | Blog Archives (2005 - 2014) | News | Oregon CUB

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Oregon Electricity Rates & Average Electricity Bills

See how Oregon electricity rates and average bills stack up to national averages. Explore which electricity companies supply Oregon and what types of fuels are used to power the state.

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We in California pay more like $0.50/kWh, effectively 4x the price for "gas" when driving an EV.

Although only home charging would be cheap. This says charging stations in Portland are "average", $0.45/kWh

https://www.axios.com/local/portland/2024/03/21/electric-vehicle-charging-costs-portland

I would need something more along the lines of the Chevy Bolt. 250ish mile range minimum. That gets me from Payette to Boise area for church, shopping etc. And home even running ac or heat (DW demands)

 

[740GLE]

I would need something more along the lines of the Chevy Bolt. 250ish mile range minimum. That gets me from Payette to Boise area for church, shopping etc. And home even running ac or heat (DW demands)

Is that 250 miles in the winter? Or only during the summer?

 

[Johneb]

Is that 250 miles in the winter? Or only during the summer?

Year around. It would be in a climate controlled garage set at 67 in winter and 74 in summer. I have Lithium battery for our solar setup so keep it controlled.

 

[MTM98290]

I would need something more along the lines of the Chevy Bolt. 250ish mile range minimum. That gets me from Payette to Boise area for church, shopping etc. And home even running ac or heat (DW demands)

It looks as though the Volt has 50mi battery range and 420mi range after that. Just add gas every 350 miles and drive indefinitely.

No need to be concerned about all of the shortcomings of battery only EV when you have a back up generator built in.

The Volt is much closer to a real world solution. I considered buying one but the lack of AWD and the economics didn't work out at the time.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Ah Must Haz Muh Freedumb!

Typical Elitist retort.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Clearly there are buyers so that is proof enough. It is going to be spotty. In Oregon EV sales are up 40% in 2023. One in every seven cars sold was an EV. Other markets vary.

Statistics don’t show the whole picture.
Up 40% from 1 isn’t much.
That’s also Portland, Seattle and other progressive Oregon cities.

That’s not the rest of the country.

It’s different.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Hey, I just escaped from Taxachusetts, now I is Florida Man!

You mean all those policies you voted for are costly?
Who knew.
Runs to Florida to complain “ Up North we did it this way”

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Clearly there are buyers so that is proof enough. It is going to be spotty. In Oregon EV sales are up 40% in 2023. One in every seven cars sold was an EV. Other markets vary.

Nah just another IPhone.

Look I got the new gadget!!
Or
Look I care about the environment!!

Once all the progressives have satiated there Virtue signaling that will stop.

I guess they could trade them in every year just to keep the stats up!!

 

[Nobodybusiness]

As a refugee, or a locust?

Locust, Cancer whatever you want to call it.

We hear too many of them who moved south or East here.

NOT all of them are like this but too many are.

Why don’t you do this and that and “ my god how backwards you people are”

Then when you remind them why they left the place of high taxes and regulations they get snippy.

They say” it doesn’t have to be that way here.”

Then why didn’t you do it where you came from.
They walk away.

Then when this state is completely ruined they will go somewhere else and do the same thing.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Yes cause the US oil and gas industry has just been closing up shop left and right.

Eyes my Marathon Stock that’s gonna up 1000% in the past 4 years, and sips my coffee.

What, you think they didn’t divest to cover this possibility of Green insanity?

They are huge regardless of what product they peddle.

 

[billvon]

How many 30 year old EVs will there be in service in 2050?

In 30 years people will be paying a quarter million for a fully restored original Tesla Roadster. And bragging about it on Facebook.

 

[billvon]

Look I got the new gadget!!
Or
Look I care about the environment!!

Once all the progressives have satiated there Virtue signaling that will stop.

Yep. And instead of a "new gadget" a new EV will just be "a car."

 

[Ampster]

It’s different

Yes, it is different everywhere. Another good reason for you not to buy an EV. They are different also.

 

[740GLE]

In 30 years people will be paying a quarter million for a fully restored original Tesla Roadster. And bragging about it on Facebook.

I think you mean to say in 30 years people will actually able to buy their roasters they put a 50k deposit, 32 years ago

 

[billvon]

I think you mean to say in 30 years people will actually able to buy their roasters they put a 50k deposit, 32 years ago

Nope. They're not making the original Roadster any more.

Today's older generation is talking about how great cars in the 1970s were. Years from now, today's kids will be that age, and will be talking about how great the EVs of the 2010's were. "Sure, they're not as fast or as efficient as today's cars but they had STYLE - and they really held their value! Those were the days."