Deye Hybrid Split-Phase Inverters - Discontinued in favor of SOL-ARK

[timselectric]

240 v single phase.

 

[timselectric]

I'm very interested in the new Deye 16k, with 3 mppt at 6k each.

 

[fafrd]

240 v single phase.

Well that means it’s different than any Solark model, right? And we’ll see whether they can get than listed for US sales (will need a companion Autotransformer at a minimum, I’d think).

 

[timselectric]

Yes
I prefer that setup.
Those split phase high frequency inverters are just 2 120v inverters in 1 case. And, it's fairly easy to overload just 1 side. I prefer to get the full available power.

 

[timselectric]

I apologize for the sarcasm. I mean Deye works with different suppliers to provide continually improving products. Whether they are building for GSL, Sunsynk Sol-ark or others, they build in the features requested and they learn and progress with the combined improvements from all their projects and all the engineering teams involved. Deye is the manufacturer. They work out the manufacturing and quality challenges. There is a narrative that they are just drones cranking out a design that is fully supplied to them by one company that wears white hats and that everybody else is stealing that company's hard work. I don't believe that is how it works. Sol-ark has built a brand based on marketing and more than a little disinformation. They have a good product but it isn't like they built a fully functional prototype and took it to China to be manufactured and then got ripped off by the manufacturer.

I think they piggy backed on someone else's design, demanded more capacity and features and Deye figured out ways to accomplish that with the help of Sol-ark engineers and the engineering firms of other companies they work with like Sunsynk. I only have a bit of behind the scenes info but it leads me to these conclusions.

I'm of the same mindset.

 

[timselectric]

And, I'm not willing to pay a 200% markup for branding. Plus, the first thing that I would do is bypass the split phase option, in lieu of an auto transformer. So that I can use all available power.

 

[fafrd]

Yes
I prefer that setup.
Those split phase high frequency inverters are just 2 120v inverters in 1 case. And, it's fairly easy to overload just 1 side. I prefer to get the full available power.

If Deye is going to be selling their 240V single-phase inverters here, perhaps that is a way around their exclusivity with Solark (perhaps it’s limited to split-phase).

Are you purchasing from China of from a US distributor?

 

[fafrd]

I apologize for the sarcasm. I mean Deye works with different suppliers to provide continually improving products. Whether they are building for GSL, Sunsynk Sol-ark or others, they build in the features requested and they learn and progress with the combined improvements from all their projects and all the engineering teams involved. Deye is the manufacturer. They work out the manufacturing and quality challenges. There is a narrative that they are just drones cranking out a design that is fully supplied to them by one company that wears white hats and that everybody else is stealing that company's hard work. I don't believe that is how it works. Sol-ark has built a brand based on marketing and more than a little disinformation. They have a good product but it isn't like they built a fully functional prototype and took it to China to be manufactured and then got ripped off by the manufacturer.

I think they piggy backed on someone else's design, demanded more capacity and features and Deye figured out ways to accomplish that with the help of Sol-ark engineers and the engineering firms of other companies they work with like Sunsynk. I only have a bit of behind the scenes info but it leads me to these conclusions.

I’m not sure who your sarcasm is directed to.

Deye is a leading inverter manufacturer and the technology provider to Solark and Sunsync, among others.

But they have entered into an exclusivity arrangement with Solark for the US market.

I know that because they told me so directly. They are not free to ship any of their inverters to the US (anymore).

Those arrangements may change at any time (could be linked to volume obligations on Solark’s part, for example) and who knows what ‘rules’ they may have agreed to (could be only for inverters below some power limit, for example), but if you attempt to purchase any 5-10kW inverter directly from Deye, your offer will be declined (at least if you ask then to ship to the US and at least as of 2 months ago).

 

[timselectric]

If Deye is going to be selling their 240V single-phase inverters here, perhaps that is a way around their exclusivity with Solark (perhaps it’s limited to split-phase).

Are you purchasing from China of from a US distributor?

Wherever I can get the best price.
And yes, Sol-ark is only exclusive for the split phase inverters.

 

[fafrd]

And, I'm not willing to pay a 200% markup for branding. Plus, the first thing that I would do is bypass the split phase option, in lieu of an auto transformer. So that I can use all available power.

I’m of the same mindset, but that likely means you are losing any option for a permitted / UL-listed install…

The fact that several other Chinese inverter suppliers such as Growatt and Solis appear to be getting 240V single-phase inverters bundled with Autotransformers approved as a bundle offers hope that an install of this type can be done with a permit at some point…

 

[fafrd]

Wherever I can get the best price.
And yes, Sol-ark is only exclusive for the split phase inverters.

That’s not what Deye stated directly to me. You may be able to purchase Deye inverters from China from 3rd-party distributors, but if you are hoping to purchase from Deye directly and to have ship to your address in the US and provide warranty coverage directly, I suggest you reach out to Deye by email or messenger.

From what they said to me, I believe this new 12kW offering is more likely to be free of the exclusivity agreement with Solark because of its power level than the fact that it is not split-phase.

 

[timselectric]

I’m of the same mindset, but that likely means you are losing any option for a permitted / UL-listed install…

The fact that several other Chinese inverter suppliers such as Growatt and Solis appear to be getting 240V single-phase inverters bundled with Autotransformers approved as a bundle offers hope that an install of this type can be done with a permit at some point…

Growatt has also entered into a joint venture with Tico to certify a rapid shutdown system. Built into their inverter. So, there's definitely hope.

 

[timselectric]

That’s not what Deye stated directly to me. You may be able to purchase Deye inverters from China from 3rd-party distributors, but if you are hoping to purchase from Deye directly and to have warranty coverage provided by them, I suggest you reach out by email or messenger.

From what they said to me, I believe this new 12kW offering is more likely to be free of the exclusivity agreement with Solark because of its power level than the fact that it is not split-phase.

The newest model is 16k with 18k solar input.
If I remember correctly. And, it will find its way to the US, in one way or another.

 

[fafrd]

Growatt has also entered into a joint venture with Tico to certify a rapid shutdown system. Built into their inverter. So, there's definitely hope.

Nice. Growatt is shadowing Solis (who has had that capability for a year or two now).

I’m not certain that any ‘agreements’ are needed. The Sunsoec Alliance standardized Rapid Shutdown in a way that any inverter can integrate the heartbeat transmitter…

 

[fafrd]

Yes, Sol-Ark is made in China, from Deye. By the way, their monitoring system is also developed by a software company in China.
Sol-Ark's 12kW hybrid inverter has an AC output of only 9kW, which they claim to be 12kW.

Thanks Simon.

Do you have any update on when Huayu’s AC-coupled inverters will start shipping?

 

[timselectric]

Sol-ark is just ripping people off. They will never get a penny from me.
Over rated and over priced.

 

[SolarTime]

Been considering Sol-Ark but my focus is on what the product does rather than the marketing…which doesn’t bother me. Agree or disagree however, is there anything else that compares feature-wise right now that’s UL certified?

 

[Hedges]

All products have various features and performance. If you can enumerate what you need, then might be able to identify options.

 

[SolarTime]

All of it really. Off grid continuous wattage to price ratio, on grid capability with sell back, 200 amp grid pass through (15k), outdoor rated, color touch screen, solar direct to load capability without interfacing the batteries, on grid to off backup response time, battery agnostic, UL certified, 10 year warranty. Definitely interested to learn more about what else might compare if it’s out there.

 

[solardad]

Appears DEYE is back available in the states for sale - https://www.electriccarpartscompany.com/deye-grid-tied-inverter