RayfromTx video "Reduce the Risk When Buying Lifepo4 From Alibaba!" is misleading

[upnorthandpersonal]

In a perfect world, I like your logic, but most of us can't afford to do that. For those that can't, I guess that's why some of us are here. Trying to find who has the best reputation in the battery business, and who can be trusted. And like you've said yourself, some are more trusted than others.

But that's exactly why I, others who bought these first cells three years ago, and people like Ray, have been trying to do: to stop the BS, to help others make informed decisions, to make sure that some vendors would never be used by newcomers because they were known to be crap, etc. To actually get the equipment to capacity test and verify. We put the money up first and took the risk so others wouldn't have to and would benefit from a stress-less transaction as much as possible.

 

[Steve_S]

SFK Credibility is lower than a Snakes Belly in a Wagons Rut !
Test Info, History & MORE are in that posting.
PLEASE READ THE POST LINKED BELOW:

I am NOW free from Hospital and in recovery but ready for WAR if you want....

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DOCAN like most all other companies Bigger Business with staff who get paid by sales commissions who just flog what they are given and say what they are told.

 

[upnorthandpersonal]

ready for WAR if you want.

Let's not go there, there is enough of that going on in the world right now. I'd like to keep a civil and friendly discussion with arguments and facts.

Also, it's past midnight here and I'm way too tired...

 

[kolek]

exactly, see my copied response..

and that is exactly the reason i have a problem with calling ray's video misleading, giving the notion that this was done on purpose or for financial gain

he asked the same questions we all do, ordered the cells, did his test, of the process which he is fully transparent about , and shared his thoughts about the cells he had tested at that point in time.

You missed the point. The moderator and I spelled out what we agreed is misleading about it, and it's claiming that Docan is cheaper. They aren't. Docan and Luyuan both sell the same Grade B cells for almost exactly the same price. Ray compared Amy's EV-cells to Docans grade B cells, acted as though they were the same cells, and said Docan is cheaper. I hope that makes it clear. If not maybe re-read my original post.

 

[upnorthandpersonal]

You missed the point. The moderator and I spelled out what we agreed is misleading about it, and it's claiming that Docan is cheaper. They aren't. Docan and Luyuan both sell the same Grade B cells for almost exactly the same price. Ray compared Amy's EV-cells to Docans grade B cells, acted as though they were the same cells, and said Docan is cheaper. I hope that makes it clear. If not maybe re-read my original post.

With the important aspect you left out, as I said: "with the information generally available at that time, six months ago, the video is correct" and that while it can be perceived as misleading to some, it's not intentionally so. As I said, there is misleading information in some of Will's videos as well. Doesn't mean we have to start requesting him to take them down. Within historical context, based on the information/knowledge generally available at that time, those videos are fine.

 

[Steve_S]

I REALLY Hope @RayfromTX check in here (has not posted very much) and sees the previous posting I put above, somehow I doubt he does.

 

[kolek]

SFK Credibility is lower than a Snakes Belly in a Wagons Rut !
Test Info, History & MORE are in that posting.
PLEASE READ THE POST LINKED BELOW:

I am NOW free from Hospital and in recovery but ready for WAR if you want....

Hi Steve, great to hear you're in recovery!
By the way, thanks again for your recommendations for the JK-BMS! That was what I ended up buying.

 

[upnorthandpersonal]

By the way, thanks again for your recommendations for the JK-BMS!

Interesting you brought up the BMS! Guess who was the first to buy one of these, testing them, and reporting on them here
It's the same with battery vendors and reviews on cells. Everyone tries, everyone makes mistakes, and things change, but in the end, things are better than they were two years ago.

 

[houseofancients]

In a perfect world, I like your logic, but most of us can't afford to do that. For those that can't, I guess that's why some of us are here. Trying to find who has the best reputation in the battery business, and who can be trusted. And like you've said yourself, some are more trusted than others.

i still.believe docan and luyan are the best suppliers by far, however i encourage everyone to let go of their ev grade illutions

 

[Kornbread]

I was under the impression that actual, real, meet all the specifications LiFePo4 EV batteries were reserved for the EV industry and all the batteries we solar consumers buy are, in fact, a lesser grade. IIRC, they are called telecommunications batteries.

 

[kolek]

As I've said before, I can't prove Ray's motives, but let's look at what's happened.

So far, he's been involved in 2 very public attacks against Luyuan. The video I'm referring to in this thread got over 100k views, and the takeaway from that video was the Docan is good, and Luyuan is too expensive. And that video was misleading, in that his conclusion was actually incorrect.

Then, he got involved in another dispute with SFK, which also involved Luyuan cells, and in that case, SFK and Luyuan both claimed that Ray's test conclusions could not have been correct, and Ray refused to return the cells to SFK for testing. Now I know there are a lot of people hating SFK here, but that's not the point. The point is, these are both attacks on Luyuan.

At the same time, he's getting commission from sales of Docan, which is Luyuan's direct competitor.

I guess it could all be just a series of coincidences. Personally, I'm not a big believer in one coincidence after another, but everyone here has the right to draw their own conclusions.

 

[houseofancients]

I was under the impression that actual, real, meet all the specifications LiFePo4 EV batteries were reserved for the EV industry and all the batteries we solar consumers buy are, in fact, a lesser grade. IIRC, they are called telecommunications batteries.

see the convetsation i posted in this threat and before..
CATL will simply not sell ev grade cells to folks outside the automotive industry

 

[Kornbread]

I think you're grinding an axe. In one of his other videos, he stated how he had always refused any kind of commission because of the very thing you are accusing him of doing. He also stated the commission was very small.

 

[Kornbread]

see the convetsation i posted in this threat and before..
CATL will simply not sell ev grade cells to folks outside the automotive industry

I've also read that elsewhere. The manufacturer for many of the server rack batteries buy their wares from ganfeng (sp?) who openly admits to using telecommunications grade cells.

 

[Bud Martin]

I've also read that elsewhere. The manufacturer for many of the server rack batteries buy their wares from ganfeng (sp?) who openly admits to using telecommunications grade cells.

What is the requirement for the cell to be qualified as telecommunications grade cells? I have not seen one before, just curious.

 

[Kornbread]

What is the requirement for the cell to be qualified as telecommunications grade cells? I have not seen one before, just curious.

You're going to make me look it up, aren't ya ...

 

[kolek]

I think you're grinding an axe. In one of his other videos, he stated how he had always refused any kind of commission because of the very thing you are accusing him of doing. He also stated the commission was very small.

Do you have proof that he's not attacking Luyuan for financial gain? If so, please provide it. Otherwise, anyone here has the right to ask why he keeps doing it.

 

[houseofancients]

What is the requirement for the cell to be qualified as telecommunications grade cells? I have not seen one before, just curious.

now this is the 100 million usd question we all have

 

[houseofancients]

Do you have proof that he's not attacking Luyuan for financial gain? If so, please provide it. Otherwise, anyone here has the right to ask why he keeps doing it.

where did you find him attacking luyan ?
he is simply stating that by the results of his tests, both supplier did well and provided good cells.
the thing he does state is that for those same results docan is considerably cheaper.

again at that point in time, with the cell he recieved at that moment

 

[Kornbread]

Do you have proof that he's not attacking Luyuan for financial gain? If so, please provide it. Otherwise, anyone here has the right to ask why he keeps doing it.

No, I do not. Do you have proof of your accusations against Ray, or know what actual specifications designate a "grade A" cell?