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The credit card or PayPal recommendation is fantastic and it’s really the only safe way to do business. That’s how I bought my subsequent cells from BLS and another vendor. With Dongguan Huanhuan it was a wire transfer. Will never make that mistake again! While BLS wasn’t perfect and I had issues with 1 out of 4 shipments, they were happy to make it right.

While I don’t doubt that many of their reviews are fake, it wouldn’t surprise me if some positive reviews are real. A good chunk of our community gets fooled and confused by voltage vs capacity.
 
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I did purchase with a CITI card but because I didn't realize the undercapacity issue until 9 months later, they said it was too late to file a dispute.
I didn't mean to imply that it's not possible to have good experiences with Alibaba. In fact, I have had good luck with AliExpress so far with several purchases. I think that is important to document and share those as well.
I believe that having a formal process where buyers can share their experiences would be very valuable. I see it as a sort of spreadhseet with entries such as Item, Date purchased, price paid, and test result, communication, or other experience with the purchase. The problem with Alibaba feedback as I found out is that you cannot go back and change it. So, I am one of those who were duped into thinking I had a good experience and posted high ranking only to find out a few months later that Huanhuan Energy had not provided the goods that were promised and also doesn't honor their "one year warranty".
 
I've been looking at Alibaba too. The prices are pretty much impossible to beat. But I don't know very much about batteries; I know lifepo4 batteries are better than other kinds, so that's what I've been looking at. But I've gathered there are several different types of cells, and I don't know anything about them or whether the ones from Alibaba are undesirable cell types, Etc. I've been on the verge of ordering from them for a while, although there are several vendors.

I've also gathered that it can be cheaper and better to put your own 12 volt battery together out of 3.2 volt cells. So I've been looking at those, since it might save $100 to 200. I'm new to this forum and curious for anyone else's thoughts on these things. I would basically be following a YouTube video to put cells together if I did that. Apparently most dealers who sell 3.2 volt cells also include busbars and whatnot.
 
I've also gathered that it can be cheaper and better to put your own 12 volt battery together out of 3.2 volt cells. So I've been looking at those, since it might save $100 to 200. I'm new to this forum and curious for anyone else's thoughts on these things. I would basically be following a YouTube video to put cells together if I did that. Apparently most dealers who sell 3.2 volt cells also include busbars and whatnot.
My thoughts in a nutshell:
  1. It can be a better value (significantly so)
  2. It can be better (if you source quality components, and design well)
  3. It can be a much more flexible approach
But there are tradeoffs:
  1. A somewhat steep learning curve that you have to commit to
  2. All responsibility is shifted to you, no warranty, no returns, no engineers to make design decisions for you
  3. There are associated costs that most people don't mention or consider (test equipment for instance)
  4. Due diligence and an understanding of risk and tradeoffs is important, many of the cells we buy are discounted for a reason. There are more risky and less risky ways to source cells, but as a general rule there is always somewhat more risk and responsibility than buying from an established consumer facing business in your home country
Fortunately, this site helps a lot with the learning curve if your needs are pretty standard / simple. If you don't go off the beaten path there are many folks that can help, and have done it before. Will's videos are great at distilling it down and showing you how simple it can be. But do bear in mind his videos showcase how simple it can be, not how simple it actually will be for a first timer.

Homework Assignment: there is a link in my signature 'finding happiness with lifepo4' or something like that, that is a 101 level introduction that every beginner should read, read that, then if you decide to pursue the DIY battery route, read either the nordkyn design or marinehowto article is my signature, maybe both if you are tenacious.

*edit: point 2 in the tradeoffs list applies to alibaba/aliexpress/grey market purchases. It is totally possible to buy raw cells with a warranty and some level of support.
 
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I am going to disagree and say that this will work out for you favourably ...

1. They mentioned 200aH 7 times in the listing - nowhere does it remotely infer GRADE B or used ..
2. Dongguan Huanhuan Energy (where you purchased from) is a GOLD STAR SUPPLIER with Alibaba meaning that they have agreed to certain rules and conditions for listing and selling on Alibaba...
3. Its a major company

SOOO I am thinking what they may do is offer you some deal --instead of sending back the batteries which will cost them a fortune -- they may offer to send you 16 brand new ones to offset the lower amperage or offer to give some money back ... I may be wrong and they may take the entire battery set back - but dealing with Alibaba all the time I have found that they try to find a win-win for everyone ... If they offer to send you 16 new ones ask for 24 .. if they offer to send back X amount of dollars ask for X + 50% ... The Chinese companies always leave a buffer for bargaining and to save face with Alibaba ...

One thing that was interesting was that on the webpage their IEC 62619 Test Reports were NOT clear nor were they expandable .. normally they are ... so don't know if they were hiding something or not .. Lets face it -- the company may be a good company but the shipping manager was trying to offload some returns .. honestly --beside the 20K of us on this forum - most ppl do NOT check their aHs. ...

BUT with all of that said - do not be discouraged .. it will work out for you ... just in the back of your mind have what you want to be a negotiable amount (either dollars or goods) that will make it right .. Honestly I would say that I wanted all Brand New cells or all my money back and not mention anything about sending back the old ones .. they may counter with they will send you 16 NEW and you keep the old ones ... or heck - honestly these batteries are so cheap for them to make and ship that they may just send you 32 new ones ... STAY FIRM but be flexible -- the Chinese will do everything to make it a WIN-WIN for both companies ..

The other thing is if you paid by credit card - you can get them involved and most probably (99.9%) get a full refund from the Credit Card ppl -- been there done that... several times ...

please keep me posted ...
I had exactly the same experience with Huahhuan Energy. I was referred to them and was comforted by their high ratings but they also sold me 200Ah cells that test out at around 170Ah. I didn't find out soon enough to get any $$ back from CITI or from Alibaba and Huanhuan Energy is denying all wrongdoing and instead claiming various things like I tested them wrong or they got too cold or this is normal capacity decrease for the 9 months I used them. I can disprove all those things but it makes no difference. They are a terrible company IMO and are defrauding customers. I hope the word gets around and others are spared this ripoff.
 
My thoughts in a nutshell:
  1. It can be a better value (significantly so)
  2. It can be better (if you source quality components, and design well)
  3. It can be a much more flexible approach
But there are tradeoffs:
  1. A somewhat steep learning curve that you have to commit to
  2. All responsibility is shifted to you, no warranty, no returns, no engineers to make design decisions for you
  3. There are associated costs that most people don't mention or consider (test equipment for instance)
  4. Due diligence and an understanding of risk and tradeoffs is important, many of the cells we buy are discounted for a reason. There are more risky and less risky ways to source cells, but as a general rule there is always somewhat more risk and responsibility than buying from an established consumer facing business in your home country
Fortunately, this site helps a lot with the learning curve if your needs are pretty standard / simple. If you don't go off the beaten path there are many folks that can help, and have done it before. Will's videos are great at distilling it down and showing you how simple it can be. But do bear in mind his videos showcase how simple it can be, not how simple it actually will be for a first timer.

Homework Assignment: there is a link in my signature 'finding happiness with lifepo4' or something like that, that is a 101 level introduction that every beginner should read, read that, then if you decide to pursue the DIY battery route, read either the nordkyn design or marinehowto article is my signature, maybe both if you are tenacious.

*edit: point 2 in the tradeoffs list applies to alibaba/aliexpress/grey market purchases. It is totally possible to buy raw cells with a warranty and some level of support.
Where do I find the link in your signature? I don't see one here, or when I click on your name.
 
My thoughts in a nutshell:
  1. It can be a better value (significantly so)
  2. It can be better (if you source quality components, and design well)
  3. It can be a much more flexible approach
But there are tradeoffs:
  1. A somewhat steep learning curve that you have to commit to
  2. All responsibility is shifted to you, no warranty, no returns, no engineers to make design decisions for you
  3. There are associated costs that most people don't mention or consider (test equipment for instance)
  4. Due diligence and an understanding of risk and tradeoffs is important, many of the cells we buy are discounted for a reason. There are more risky and less risky ways to source cells, but as a general rule there is always somewhat more risk and responsibility than buying from an established consumer facing business in your home country
Fortunately, this site helps a lot with the learning curve if your needs are pretty standard / simple. If you don't go off the beaten path there are many folks that can help, and have done it before. Will's videos are great at distilling it down and showing you how simple it can be. But do bear in mind his videos showcase how simple it can be, not how simple it actually will be for a first timer.

Homework Assignment: there is a link in my signature 'finding happiness with lifepo4' or something like that, that is a 101 level introduction that every beginner should read, read that, then if you decide to pursue the DIY battery route, read either the nordkyn design or marinehowto article is my signature, maybe both if you are tenacious.

*edit: point 2 in the tradeoffs list applies to alibaba/aliexpress/grey market purchases. It is totally possible to buy raw cells with a warranty and some level of support.
This is a great summary!
 
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How does their price with shipping compare to the XUBA 280AH deals?

Just to keep things more link frindly without digging. Can someone repost the links to the TRUE BLS Store front webiste, and the TRUE XUBA Storefront?

And also the alibaba links? There are alot of fake BLS links around google.
 
Need to buy a 40’foot container of’em. Cost should come to half. Shipping per unit will come down to almost nothing.

Go sit at a swap meet/flea market and sell’em for $200 over landed cost.

In my life, I would only need to sell a couple a day to make the numbers work
And, you wouldn’t need to pay the extra electric to space fee.

If only it was that easy!
we could all chip in and share
 
thank you! I also just came across Will Prowse youtube channel and found out this is his forum, WEALTH'S of knowledge here and on his channel, man you guys are awesome and make going off grid an easy choice!!

THANK YOU TO ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS, THIS IS AN INVALUABLE RESOURCE
 
Ok I have a question which I cant find, is there or what is the right height to keep these cells when using them? I'm putting together 2×8 cells making 2-24v batteries.
 
The EVE-280AH cells from Luyuan with welded studs stand 22cm tall from the base of the cell to the top of the studs. It is generally good to have roughly 2cm min of space above the cells for airspace & access.
 
Ok I have a question which I cant find, is there or what is the right height to keep these cells when using them? I'm putting together 2×8 cells making 2-24v batteries.
I am not sure what you are asking either. There is no right height if you are setting them upright. They can be put on shelves etc, however you want. If you are asking how many you can stack on top of each other on their sides well that is an unknown and depends on many variables. Many or most manufacturers do not recommend they be put on their sides at all----even one layer.
 
I'm asking is their a height they should be from the ground, so they dont drain. From the floor should they be above the floor.
 
Also I'm top balance the. Right now but what should I set the amp to? Have it fully max out?
 
I'm asking is their a height they should be from the ground, so they dont drain.

They won't drain by having them on the ground.

Also I'm top balance the. Right now but what should I set the amp to? Have it fully max out?

You set the voltage of the supply to 3.6V (or 3.55, 3.5V even) and connect with a good set of cables. Do not change the voltage at any point when connected to the batteries. I doubt your supply can deliver more than your cells can take, but keep it under 100A (just in case).
 
They won't drain by having them on the ground.



You set the voltage of the supply to 3.6V (or 3.55, 3.5V even) and connect with a good set of cables. Do not change the voltage at any point when connected to the batteries. I doubt your supply can deliver more than your cells can take, but keep it under 100A (just in case).
Thank you! I'm still building a shelf with PVC pipes and wood about 4 inch above the floor.
And I watch a video from Will and he said set it at 3.65v and I have the amps at 10.10 which is all the supply can do. Oh and I have lifepo4 280 cells
 
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