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Solar has been hijacked/co opted. A wakeup?

‘If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain
There are smart people when they’re young… and most have a heart.
Button-holing only serves the purpose of the speaker regardless of his or her appropriateness or moral veracity.

Thinking for oneself is as important as abandoning dogma to the point that clarity is inescapable.
 
There are smart people when they’re young… and most have a heart.
Button-holing only serves the purpose of the speaker regardless of his or her appropriateness or moral veracity.

Thinking for oneself is as important as abandoning dogma to the point that clarity is inescapable.
yes such as those who understand right off the bat that most social welfare systems are overburdened with abusers who need to be taken off the rolls and made to fend for them selves. so at what point does one go from young and "Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain"

for some of us that was very early on as we did not qualify for any help and had to work from a young age.... must be that white privilege stuff i hear about all the time.
 
A lot of the get government out of my life I don't get, but I do get the sentiment of the original post. In 1967 I built my first stereo, Heathkit amplifier and speaker boxes that I built for speakers from a HiFi store that I had no idea if they were good. My system was way above and beyond what 99.9% of others had in their home. Now, anyone can buy a HiFi system. And this forum is full of people like me that just pay rather than build. Sorry, I'm one of those.
 
A lot of the get government out of my life I don't get
I’m not being argumentative or mean but I do have a curiosity.

What region did you grow up in? And city, or country?

By age 11 or 12 I was going to the library after school and read The Wealth Of Nations, the history of the automobile, most of the collected writings of Thomas Jefferson, Daniel Webster, Samuel Clemons, many others. Mostly around the subjects of early american history, post civil war, and economics. I didn’t know I was a ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’ or ‘left’ or ‘socialist’ back then as I wasn’t reading contemporary stuff, and I hate calling myself ‘conservative’ today because of stereotyping and idiomatic opinions that generally are not accurate assessements.

So I was fairly well formed in my societal thinking and had a firm cultural grounding at an early age that was not entirely reflective of my parents.

So I often get insatiably curious to learn how others think when I hear or meet someone that does not have a pronounced proclivity for citizenry coupled with an aversion for big government because it seems such an effortless natural state to coalesce into- to me.
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In context with this thread, I was interested in solar power and alternative energy in spite of not being of the hippie or tree-hugger stereotype. I grew up in NH and got heavily exposed to anti-nuke sentiments contemporary with the planning and implementation of Seabrook Nuclear Power Station as well as the Three Mile Island incident.
I was neither anti-nuclear power, nor was I indisposed to passive solar and solar electricity- although photovoltaic didn’t seem efficacious at that time. We heated with wood.

Especially out of the 1970’s, however, I got plenty of exposure to the interesting characters that lived atypical lifestyles and ate granola before granola was granola. While I never have bought into the various lifestyle elements- they didn’t make any sense- I certainly wasn’t opposed to adopting solar and sustainable lifestyle elements as ambitiously as I assimilated computers, constitutional loyalty with a vehement perspective on individual rights, and an entrepreneurial spirit. Guerrilla Solar fit right in!

That is why I have my complex reasoning regarding Solar not having been subverted or betrayed as banally as the thread title suggests. Those that were The Guerrilla Solar People were making a point.

That it made sense and morphed mainstream is sortofa indicator that “they” succeeded in their mission.

I sometimes ponder whether it’s gone too far; letting it develop and expand and revolutionize naturally is fine, while forcing it and coercing - to me, in my opinion - is not of long-term benefit and perhaps not beneficial short term. Because I, too, think it’s best if the government is out of our lives.
 
I view Solar as just a technology, which has its niche uses for those who can afford it.
For me it is all about redundancy in case of blackouts and brownouts, or inevitable rationing that they will absolutely try to implement in the states (Europe is already full steam ahead in this)
 
"Rationing", certainly I believe in Triage regarding power (and communications, therefore I don't support "Net Neutrality".)
If demand exceeds supply, like on a hot day when everyone is running A/C, we have two choices:
1) Shut off everybody
2) Shut of some loads.

So I favor optional remote control of thermostats, together with mandatory control of feed to house.
During a power shortage, we set back thermostats of the volunteers, and leave power to their houses on.
Disconnect all power from those who declined to have remote thermostats installed.

Of course, individuals can also have their own PV panels and batteries, and can power any loads they want from them.
 
I’m not being argumentative or mean but I do have a curiosity.

What region did you grow up in? And city, or country?
I grew up in small town (population 20,000) Ontario Canada. I moved to the US when I was 46 to preserve my job. I've lived in ME, FL and now NH.
 
I’m not being argumentative or mean but I do have a curiosity.

Samuel Clemons,

Because I, too, think it’s best if the government is out of our lives.

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When I was young it isn’t about IQ, but of experience.

As I have lived a life & seen the Hypocrisy of Government ,,, I want all the Good things that Government brings & none of the Evil ,,, but at what cost. Freedom, or the idea of being free is very important to me & a bigger concern as the years go by.

“Samuel’s” art has always resonated with me ,,, some of it I feel I understand better as I have aged.
 
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"Rationing", certainly I believe in Triage regarding power (and communications, therefore I don't support "Net Neutrality".)
If demand exceeds supply, like on a hot day when everyone is running A/C, we have two choices:
1) Shut off everybody
2) Shut of some loads.

So I favor optional remote control of thermostats, together with mandatory control of feed to house.
During a power shortage, we set back thermostats of the volunteers, and leave power to their houses on.
Disconnect all power from those who declined to have remote thermostats installed.

Of course, individuals can also have their own PV panels and batteries, and can power any loads they want from them.

The only problem is rationing will be done to control you. The next phase will be rationing you if you refuse your next vaxxine booster, or for any other arbitrary reason - cLIEmate change, supporting the next "Trump", refusing to eat "ze bugs", etc

Why do you think they are trying to replace all the analog meters with smart meters that are "always connected to the internet" and have remote both rationing and remote disconnect features? Dont believe me - read the smart meter manual. Its all baked in the cake, but few are aware.
 

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Take a look at that PDF (For a smart meter made in 2019, they are much more advance now) in great detail, particularly this little gem:

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Switches J2, Q2, R2 and T2 and remote disconnect itself (Read the whole manual). Creepy stuff!

It took me a lot of fighting with my powercompany to keep my analog meter with solar. (Which spins backwards when I generate)
 
Yes, there is that problem of a disconnect being used for evil.
But how do you feel about individual usage adding up to bringing the grid down, when simply having all A/C set for a higher temperature (except for select people having medical issues) could keep power on for everyone?

Three decades ago, a fire shut down one power line near the Canadian border. Over the next three days, the grid slowly collapsed from Canada all the way into Mexico, because loads exceeding the power which could be delivered.

How could we, or should we, address such issues?
 
Yes, there is that problem of a disconnect being used for evil.
But how do you feel about individual usage adding up to bringing the grid down, when simply having all A/C set for a higher temperature (except for select people having medical issues) could keep power on for everyone?

Three decades ago, a fire shut down one power line near the Canadian border. Over the next three days, the grid slowly collapsed from Canada all the way into Mexico, because loads exceeding the power which could be delivered.

How could we, or should we, address such issues?

By letting free markets sort this out. I guarantee you there will be no problems.
The only reason the issue even exists is government and NGO mismanagement of the energy policy (for example California).
These are ALL GOVERNMENT MADE problems (mandated by globalist "elites" that run the corporations and NGOs)
Start with getting rid of the "Carbon bad" scam and stopping mandating unsustainable things like EV's for everyone and replacing gas heating appliances with electric.
 
Three decades ago, a fire shut down one power line near the Canadian border. Over the next three days, the grid slowly collapsed from Canada all the way into Mexico, because loads exceeding the power which could be delivered.

How could we, or should we, address such issues?
IMO, we can address them by not tying everything together into one vulnerable basket.

There always advantages and disadvantages to any system. The people that I see doing the most damage are focused on the advantages "for the good of the people" and ignore the disadvantages. It is possible they are all well meaning, all while steering society down the wrong path.

Reminds me of the path to hell paved with good intentions saying.

In my opinion, the most robust power system we could possibly have is a bunch of regional providers unaffected by the problems of neighboring providers. Stops your scenario of rolling outages, helps with cyber attack footing, lets regions succeed or perform poorly based on their choices, which become apparent through pricing.
 
So each one has to have excess capacity for its loads.

Pacific North West can be a good source of hydro, to feed other regions.
Southern locations can be a good source of PV to feed regions socked in with clouds.

Infrastructure hasn't kept up with growth of population, and housing is being built where A/C is required.

Things are operating closer to the edge.

Controlling loads to shave peaks and fill valleys would reduce cost of power and make system more robust. Time of use rates and dynamic pricing could help get people/companies to shift.

I envision pagers integrated with thermostats to set them back 10 degrees. That could be offered with a 5% rate reduction for those who choose to adopt. Thermostat disconnect would be an even simpler to install device, but doesn't regulate demand as well. Some automated compliance testing would be needed. Adjusting thermostat briefly and checking meter is simple, but doesn't work if customer has A/C off.

Not likely we can get regions to do the regional power (increased cost for customers), but we as individuals can spend much more to supply our own critical loads.

I do think a stage of grid selective load shedding should be implemented prior to blackouts. Rolling blackouts is what they've come up with.
 
So each one has to have excess capacity for its loads.

Pacific North West can be a good source of hydro, to feed other regions.
Southern locations can be a good source of PV to feed regions socked in with clouds.

Infrastructure hasn't kept up with growth of population, and housing is being built where A/C is required.

Things are operating closer to the edge.

Controlling loads to shave peaks and fill valleys would reduce cost of power and make system more robust. Time of use rates and dynamic pricing could help get people/companies to shift.

I envision pagers integrated with thermostats to set them back 10 degrees. That could be offered with a 5% rate reduction for those who choose to adopt. Thermostat disconnect would be an even simpler to install device, but doesn't regulate demand as well. Some automated compliance testing would be needed. Adjusting thermostat briefly and checking meter is simple, but doesn't work if customer has A/C off.

Not likely we can get regions to do the regional power (increased cost for customers), but we as individuals can spend much more to supply our own critical loads.

I do think a stage of grid selective load shedding should be implemented prior to blackouts. Rolling blackouts is what they've come up with.

You are still assuming they are sincere.
They are not
They are setting things up for the great reset.
 
we can address them by not tying everything together into one vulnerable basket
Yes, in the spirit of this thread:

I hate “outdoor wood furnaces” but I’m considering one because I heat with propane.

Being solar only offgrid I’m debating in my head what to do about electricity if I don’t have gasoline to run the generator the ~15 times this winter I’ve needed a boost. I’ve been getting plenty of sun for weeks now, but The Dark Months are a concern. Probably could mitigate with outdoor refrigerator because it’s cold in winter where I live, that is nearly a kWh a day, maybe 700Wh. Not much but something.

I have a source for firewood for cheap if I cut it. I’m probably going to buy 15 or 20 cord, cut and split it, sell some to cover my expenses, and have 2-3 seasons on hand maybe. Maybe more.

Anything is possible but thankfully not as likely as many who are concerned about that might think, imho.
But I’m not too big on gambling really.
 
I like dual fuel generators (propane or gas) as propane does not have a shelf life like gasoline. A number of 40lbs tanks that you can get filled as needed or a larger fixed tank.
 
I hate “outdoor wood furnaces” but I’m considering one because I heat with propane.
What don't you like about outdoor wood furnaces? My neighbor and I had an indoor model installed in the new garage we built. We burned our own wood for 4 or more years. We're not up for the physical labor anymore and purchased firewood is expensive. We fired it a few times last winter when temperature went below 10F. We haven't fired it this winter. It's a good backup. I kept the neighbors home warm for 2 weeks when his oil burner failed. We both have propane now as the primary heat source.
 
I didn't get the joke. Another member didn't as well, but we'll move on and forget it. Thank you for the apology.
I meant to put smilies at the end and the one with a stick poking at you but did not that would have made it easier to understand, as I did not its my fault and an apology is fully warranted.
 
Yes, in the spirit of this thread:

I hate “outdoor wood furnaces” but I’m considering one because I heat with propane.

Being solar only offgrid I’m debating in my head what to do about electricity if I don’t have gasoline to run the generator the ~15 times this winter I’ve needed a boost. I’ve been getting plenty of sun for weeks now, but The Dark Months are a concern. Probably could mitigate with outdoor refrigerator because it’s cold in winter where I live, that is nearly a kWh a day, maybe 700Wh. Not much but something.

I have a source for firewood for cheap if I cut it. I’m probably going to buy 15 or 20 cord, cut and split it, sell some to cover my expenses, and have 2-3 seasons on hand maybe. Maybe more.

Anything is possible but thankfully not as likely as many who are concerned about that might think, imho.
But I’m not too big on gambling really.

Have you looked into a wood gasifier to run your generator? I want to go this route but I'm still collecting information on how best to implement it.
 
All this wood talk had me looking at outdoor wood broilers as a backup option as well for heat and water heat
Now I’ve gotta learn about gasifiers too!
You guys are always expanding my knowledge or exposure of things for the potential of knowledge
 

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