Zwy
Emperor Of Solar
Now 601 posts, it's a slow day and not many other threads give me a chance to bad mouth the Blue Boxes.600 posts baby! Just like I predicted ?
Now 601 posts, it's a slow day and not many other threads give me a chance to bad mouth the Blue Boxes.600 posts baby! Just like I predicted ?
Their 330ah Lithium batteries were $3200/each about 4 months ago and they are now only $1654
That's if you need four ~420V 18A controllers. Most would go with a couple of 250/100s for $612 each, or the 150/100s for $516. Also gives you partial redundancy in case of a rare failure.Then the $2400 SCC on top.
I looked at Dexter's site as I'm in the market for a system in the shop. Start adding this and that, it gets up there.
I believe you need to use the lynx smart BMS at $955 or similar to run those:Interesting, the BMS (controller) is external, connected by coax (?). Supporting up to 4s5p.
I suppose it has passive balancer, and the controller is able to balance all four batteries in series.
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That's if you need four ~420V 18A controllers.
String voltage not high enough. If I wanted a 250V SCC, I have 4 currently not in use.Most would go with a couple of 250/100s for $612 each, or the 150/100s for $516. Also gives you partial redundancy in case of a rare failure.
You can spend $400+shipping on the eg4 or spend more for a Victron scc solution, 150/100 for $516, 250/100 for $612, or RS 450/100 for $1240.Well of course I would. Compare to the EG4 MPPT 100-48V.
String voltage not high enough. If I wanted a 250V SCC, I have 4 currently not in use.
I'm always amazed at excuses given. I want to increase capacity, not decrease it. I want high voltage strings over long distance, that = efficiency.
I want the ability to really be able to load up a SCC with large panels, less footprint. I want less wire and smaller wire = less cost.
But I should spend more for a product that will require even more financial input to use it while not having the higher efficiency of a higher voltage string.
Got it.
An interesting note I saw recently on Midnite Solar's sizing tool: With MPPT controllers, the higher the input voltage, the less efficient they are. This is not a large value but it will add up to a little more heat in the controller and a point or two less in efficiency. BUT you also have to be careful not to have the input voltage to low.Well of course I would. Compare to the EG4 MPPT 100-48V.
String voltage not high enough. If I wanted a 250V SCC, I have 4 currently not in use.
I'm always amazed at excuses given. I want to increase capacity, not decrease it. I want high voltage strings over long distance, that = efficiency.
I want the ability to really be able to load up a SCC with large panels, less footprint. I want less wire and smaller wire = less cost.
But I should spend more for a product that will require even more financial input to use it while not having the higher efficiency of a higher voltage string.
Got it.
stop it you freaking enabler! i already have the magnums and my wife is pissed enough for the next six months after this battery purchase!
You can spend $400+shipping on the eg4 or spend more for a Victron scc solution, 150/100 for $516, 250/100 for $612, or RS 450/100 for $1240.
It's more than just the cost per watt, go back and read it for a third time. You are approaching it as a person defending a losing position, I gave several key points which you choose to ignore. Either debate on merit or stop defending your position.If you want the cheapest scc per watt, Victron isn't the best choice for you.
An interesting note I saw recently on Midnite Solar's sizing tool: With MPPT controllers, the higher the input voltage, the less efficient they are. This is not a large value but it will add up to a little more heat in the controller and a point or two less in efficiency. BUT you also have to be careful not to have the input voltage to low.
Midnite did say that their lower voltage charge controllers are more efficient than the higher voltage ones. Net efficiency is the whole system is a different thingHigher voltage will run cooler, higher amperage will run higher temp. It's due to the heating of the wire at higher amps. But you are free to believe any misconception you might have.
As for efficiency, go look at this post and get back to me. https://diysolarforum.com/threads/5...-unless-youre-some-kind-of-solar-freak.75746/
Oh you want to compare an eg4 100A SCC to a Victron 200A SCC ($2400)?It's over your head at this point. Read it again. https://diysolarforum.com/threads/v...ody-buy-victron-over-an-aio.68205/post-973271
Maybe it will click, maybe it won't.
It's more than just the cost per watt, go back and read it for a third time. You are approaching it as a person defending a losing position, I gave several key points which you choose to ignore. Either debate on merit or stop defending your position.
So you did read the post and maybe comprehend what I wrote?Oh you want to compare an eg4 100A SCC to a Victron 200A SCC ($2400)?
I'll leave you to your trolling have fun now!
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On their units it is a result of the dc to dc converter.Midnite did say that their lower voltage charge controllers are more efficient than the higher voltage ones. Net efficiency is the whole system is a different thing
Zwy is just a troll, or he is more intelligent than the people at Midnite Solar.....or maybe he thinks he is.Midnite did say that their lower voltage charge controllers are more efficient than the higher voltage ones. Net efficiency is the whole system is a different thing
That's a shame you're missing out on lots of good info, I've learned a lot from him since I joined.I suggest clicking Zwy profile and clicking ignore like I just did. 1 less troll Not worth even a glance at what someone says who is pissed they can't afford blue stuff. Best of luck to them and their Chineseium equipment. I hope it serves them well.
Thanks seems like the way to go. Not sure what he was "debating". That Victron stuff costs more than a lot of other options? Was anyone disagreeing?I suggest clicking Zwy profile and clicking ignore like I just did. 1 less troll Not worth even a glance at what someone says who is pissed they can't afford blue stuff. Best of luck to them and their Chineseium equipment. I hope it serves them well.
Down to $1052 now. I'm not sure on the exact reductions percentage wise, def not the huge cuts most of the SCCs got but welcome nonetheless.Victron multiplus prices just dropped?
Perfect timing, glad I held out for my 24/3000 for the 2024 cabin upgrade. It’s gonna be a good year.
It is more than just the components, it is the infrastructure costs that increase also.Thanks seems like the way to go. Not sure what he was "debating". That Victron stuff costs more than a lot of other options? Was anyone disagreeing?
Yea man.. the price can add up , but , when you get a lot of things hooked up ,all the different displays and blinking lights ,..,..are a blast to watch…It is more than just the components, it is the infrastructure costs that increase also.
For example, using lower VOC rated SCC's will probably result in paralleling strings using 2 strings of wire instead of one string. Or using larger gauge wire. With a 250VOC rated SCC for my array that is 420 feet away, the cost difference is quite substantial. In my case, it would have cost $2600 for wire with a lower VOC rated SCC. With a higher VOC rated SCC, it cost $600.
There are other items needed, they all add up to the total cost. Doesn't matter what color box.
Yea man.. the price can add up ,
It's even better when you can expand on your system because you planned it correctly and become energy self sufficient.but , when you get a lot of things hooked up ,all the different displays and blinking lights ,..,..are a blast to watch…
It seems as I age it becomes easier to amuse myself….
J.