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Solar has been hijacked/co opted. A wakeup?

Everything is a trade off. Oil ain’t as evil as some would have us believe, and electric cars aren’t the end-all either. We’re not building enough nuke plants in the USA and hydro isn’t really being developed. Electric cars more often than not are charged up using petroleum-fired or even coal-fired electricity.

Not everything is as it seems, nothing is

Everything is a tradeoff. I just learned today that cement production actually accounts for more CO2 emissions than transportation/oil, so someone has come up with a way to produce cement that could actually be carbon negative if using carbon-neutral heating methods (the byproducts actually absorb carbon).

That said, all of the alternative energy sources that you mention produce electricity. We can harness energy is many ways, but the one nearly universal form of energy that we can transport, store, and convert to use is electricity. Anything that uses electricity as it's power source can be powered from any of those sources that you mention, and any of the countless that we haven't figured out yet.
 
According to google, the average US household uses around 10-12 MWh / year, and the average EV uses less than 1 MWh / year. Even if every household added an EV, that would increase electricity usage less than 10%. Not only that, but EV chargers have very good support for charging off-peak, and the grid is necessarily sized to peak usage, not average or off-peak usage, so that should have little effect.

Add to that the V2G chargers that are coming online that can actually be used just like home batteries to peak shave, and the obvious additional incentive that they add to install solar panels, and it's very easy (IMO) to come to the exact opposite conclusion that large-scale use of electric vehicle could drastically improve reliability of the grid and decrease costs.
"Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure". No I'm not calling you a liar, it's just you fell right in a trap. You can't take the numbers and correlate them the way you've outlined. I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from, but there appear to be a whole lot of baked in assumptions, and I call the 1MWh/yr number completely bogus, though 10-12 is probably close.

First, the EV problem is not about total electrical consumption, it's about DEMAND, but lets ignore that for a moment. I have two EV's, and at the moment, I'm 100% running off solar, and I track all this crap. I use 10-12MWh in June,July,Aug without the EV. I suppose a "household" that is a cabin, or small town in rural Kentucky supporting a few small appliances and lighting, not so much usage, probably closer to 4-5MHW/year.

So I bought an EV, I loved it! so, then another. I put around 40-50KWH a week in each, call it 400KWH/mo x 12 = 4.8MWH/year for 2. I have SMALL EV's. they average 4 mi/kwh. Buy a Rivian, drive it modestly as I do, that number doubles, so I have no idea where your getting 1MWh/yr, but I call BS, no way it's that low, unless you don't actually drive it. 12000 mi / 4mi/kwh = 3000KWH = 3MWH. 4mi/kwh is REALLY good, I drive with and egg on the pedal, and coast/regen whenever possible, mostly urban driving. There is a 10% loss getting the power into the vehicle so probably closer to 3.5MWH for an "average" EV that gets 4.0. A Rivian or a Ford Lightning gets 2.3ish, that's going to double into the 7MWH/year range for a single vehicle. Generously I'll call it 10MHW for an average household with 2 cars that go 12000 miles / year. You just increased electricity usage closer to 100%, than 10.

But that is not where the problem lies. The real problem is DEMAND. If "every" household in Phoenix bought replaced their 2-3 cars with an EV and plugged it in pulling 32-40A (7600-9600kw) at 1400 (2PM) on a 115 degree day the grid would shut down completely. Phoenix actually has a very robust infrastructure, we use a crap-ton of electricity between 1400-1700 every day, but you would basically over TRIPLE demand, and nobody built out for that. Ok then, lets charge them all at night, nice, now we've only DOUBLED demand. (Still Ka-pow).

But wait, ... I'm in an urban area, that already has astronomical demand during peaks. Let's go out to the farmhouse in rural KY, or maybe a small town in Carolina with modest electrical demands. Houses are currently heated with NG or Propane, maybe a wood stove. Gas HWH's , Minimal electric use, lighting, a fridge, maybe a window unit, in a town of 5000 "households", the average "household" might peak at 30A for a few minutes a day, average usage is probably less than 1/2A (1200W). Now let's throw 5000+ EV's at their grid, all wanting to gobble 32-40A each overnight. Ka-Pow. Those homes don't really even have a "peak" most of the usages is typical drain, very mild demand curves. Typical demand on that grid would increase by an order of magnitude.

Don't drink the Kool-Aid. I *adore* EV's but if we try to put everyone in one in 10 years the grid is going to crumble, and contrary to what you are thinking it would have a profound effect, and have exorbitant costs to replace the infrastructure to handle it. Anyone who tells you different is blowing smoke up your butt.

I will also note, SRP here already has a "chiller" loop around downtown. During "Off-Peak" in the summer they crank on a few zillion AC units on roofs across downtown and start chilling water in a network of underground insulated piping used by all the buildings including Chase Field for cooling during the day. It's also used to cool the "Digital Realty" data center. Off-peak will no longer be off-peak if everyone wants to charge their cars overnight. You will gobble up excess at a rate exceeding available resource.
 
Everything is a trade off. Oil ain’t as evil as some would have us believe, and electric cars aren’t the end-all either. We’re not building enough nuke plants in the USA and hydro isn’t really being developed. Electric cars more often than not are charged up using petroleum-fired or even coal-fired electricity.

Truth.

Especially with heavy utilization of renewables, we're going to need conventional plants to supplement in periods of low production. Nothing beats nukes. When you look at carbon per gigawatt-hour Nukes and PV are surprisingly close.
 
We were talking about Richard and Karen Perez not everyone.

yes,

they lived 20 miles off road (very bad road) in southern Oregon and he drove a VW bus to work everyday, charging the 12v battery in the process. When got home at night, he would remove the battery and use it for lighting in their house. Then he came upon a SOLAR panel and bought it. The rest is history
 
yes,

they lived 20 miles off road (very bad road) in southern Oregon and he drove a VW bus to work everyday, charging the 12v battery in the process. When got home at night, he would remove the battery and use it for lighting in their house. Then he came upon a SOLAR panel and bought it. The rest is history
Yea I remember reading his and Karen’s stories.

They lived in Ashland Oregon I think.

Solar definitely worked with his and Karen’s lifestyle.

I believe Wavy Gravy came out there sometimes or was at his workshops.
Maybe it was to see Bob-O & Kathline Shultz?
Can’t remember anymore.
 
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yes,

they lived 20 miles off road (very bad road) in southern Oregon and he drove a VW bus to work everyday, charging the 12v battery in the process. When got home at night, he would remove the battery and use it for lighting in their house. Then he came upon a SOLAR panel and bought it. The rest is history
Maybe it was Ken Kesey not Wavy Gravy.

I always get the Merry Pranksters and Wavy Gravy mixed up.
 
"Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure". No I'm not calling you a liar, it's just you fell right in a trap. You can't take the numbers and correlate them the way you've outlined. I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from, but there appear to be a whole lot of baked in assumptions, and I call the 1MWh/yr number completely bogus, though 10-12 is probably close.

First, the EV problem is not about total electrical consumption, it's about DEMAND, but lets ignore that for a moment. I have two EV's, and at the moment, I'm 100% running off solar, and I track all this crap. I use 10-12MWh in June,July,Aug without the EV. I suppose a "household" that is a cabin, or small town in rural Kentucky supporting a few small appliances and lighting, not so much usage, probably closer to 4-5MHW/year.

So I bought an EV, I loved it! so, then another. I put around 40-50KWH a week in each, call it 400KWH/mo x 12 = 4.8MWH/year for 2. I have SMALL EV's. they average 4 mi/kwh. Buy a Rivian, drive it modestly as I do, that number doubles, so I have no idea where your getting 1MWh/yr, but I call BS, no way it's that low, unless you don't actually drive it. 12000 mi / 4mi/kwh = 3000KWH = 3MWH. 4mi/kwh is REALLY good, I drive with and egg on the pedal, and coast/regen whenever possible, mostly urban driving. There is a 10% loss getting the power into the vehicle so probably closer to 3.5MWH for an "average" EV that gets 4.0. A Rivian or a Ford Lightning gets 2.3ish, that's going to double into the 7MWH/year range for a single vehicle. Generously I'll call it 10MHW for an average household with 2 cars that go 12000 miles / year. You just increased electricity usage closer to 100%, than 10.

But that is not where the problem lies. The real problem is DEMAND. If "every" household in Phoenix bought replaced their 2-3 cars with an EV and plugged it in pulling 32-40A (7600-9600kw) at 1400 (2PM) on a 115 degree day the grid would shut down completely. Phoenix actually has a very robust infrastructure, we use a crap-ton of electricity between 1400-1700 every day, but you would basically over TRIPLE demand, and nobody built out for that. Ok then, lets charge them all at night, nice, now we've only DOUBLED demand. (Still Ka-pow).

But wait, ... I'm in an urban area, that already has astronomical demand during peaks. Let's go out to the farmhouse in rural KY, or maybe a small town in Carolina with modest electrical demands. Houses are currently heated with NG or Propane, maybe a wood stove. Gas HWH's , Minimal electric use, lighting, a fridge, maybe a window unit, in a town of 5000 "households", the average "household" might peak at 30A for a few minutes a day, average usage is probably less than 1/2A (1200W). Now let's throw 5000+ EV's at their grid, all wanting to gobble 32-40A each overnight. Ka-Pow. Those homes don't really even have a "peak" most of the usages is typical drain, very mild demand curves. Typical demand on that grid would increase by an order of magnitude.

Don't drink the Kool-Aid. I *adore* EV's but if we try to put everyone in one in 10 years the grid is going to crumble, and contrary to what you are thinking it would have a profound effect, and have exorbitant costs to replace the infrastructure to handle it. Anyone who tells you different is blowing smoke up your butt.

I will also note, SRP here already has a "chiller" loop around downtown. During "Off-Peak" in the summer they crank on a few zillion AC units on roofs across downtown and start chilling water in a network of underground insulated piping used by all the buildings including Chase Field for cooling during the day. It's also used to cool the "Digital Realty" data center. Off-peak will no longer be off-peak if everyone wants to charge their cars overnight. You will gobble up excess at a rate exceeding available resource.

I already addressed the average usage, and you are pretty much correct.

The "if everyone bought an EV tomorrow and charged at the same time" argument is a strawman. 40kWh/week equals around 4 hours of charging a week. I could calculate the probability of them all charging at once, but that would be silly.

Obviously there could be times (just as off-peak starts, for example) that might be more popular, but that could be fixed by just making the on/off peak times more dynamic. Do you really care if your car charges at 10PM or 1AM? Why not support setting a time range for charging and let the grid operator control exactly when?
 
Nail on the head dude.
On every point.
But how would solar panels and the electronics stand up to a carrington event?
wouldn’t that fry the panels?

While a Massive Solar Flare can take out electronic devices it is more likely that massive CME will be the thing that causes the real damage. The two thing typically happen together but there is one major difference. The Solar Flare only takes about 8 minutes to reach Earth (light Speed), so unfortunately there is no way to Warn people. The CME on the other hand takes anywhere from around 15 hours to three days to reach Earth, this depends on how fast it is traveling.

The Carrington Event was a CME so with all the Satellites monitoring the Sun you will have ample time to prepare.

If there is a CME heading towards Earth you will have time to disconnect your panels the Grid and all your other equipment until it has passed.

My basic Plan should an Alert be given that a Huge CME is coming is to Kill the Breakers, Pull the Meter out of the Socket and then remove PV Wiring to the Inverter and also disconnect the Inverter from the Batteries and Grid Side (Basically shut it all down and disconnect all the wiring to the Inverter).
I will Also be plugging out everything in the house so they are isolated from the houses wiring which may induce a charge. This should protect most items, but what will happen to the Panels is still an unknown.
 
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I already addressed the average usage, and you are pretty much correct.

The "if everyone bought an EV tomorrow and charged at the same time" argument is a strawman. 40kWh/week equals around 4 hours of charging a week. I could calculate the probability of them all charging at once, but that would be silly.

Obviously there could be times (just as off-peak starts, for example) that might be more popular, but that could be fixed by just making the on/off peak times more dynamic. Do you really care if your car charges at 10PM or 1AM? Why not support setting a time range for charging and let the grid operator control exactly when?
Hi Web, Interesting point, and also exactly what the robstrom (the OP) was making the point of. Solar enthusiasts are turning to things like letting the power co. or government control their usage and meters. So basically just reinforcing exactly what was stated.

From stick it to the man hippy, to cede control of your own "stuff". This thread really struck a chord, and is an interesting, if not off the beaten path read. All of the reasons people use solar are on display, and it is fun to read. Thanks robstrom.
 
Yea I remember reading his and Karen’s stories.

They lived in Ashland Oregon I think.

Solar definitely worked with his and Karen’s lifestyle.

I believe Wavy Gravy came out there sometimes or was at his workshops.
Maybe it was to see Bob-O & Kathline Shultz?
Can’t remember anymore.
Wavy Gravy….oh my lord…?
 
Solar enthusiasts are turning to things like letting the power co. or government control their usage and meters. So basically just reinforcing exactly what was stated.

From stick it to the man hippy, to cede control of your own "stuff". This thread really struck a chord, and is an interesting, if not off the beaten path read. All of the reasons people use solar are on display, and it is fun to read. Thanks robstrom.

Thanks robsrom, too.

From stick it to the man to having a vendor I thought I respected, bitchin' about a customer who didn't pay the "man" for a permit...." use the product as intended (AKA, pull a permit)."

Interesting how pulling a permit (paying to use a product you already paid for ???) makes it safer and socially acceptable. Safer when you asked permission from PoCo ? Safer because some urban planner decided where to put my solar panels ?? I had a master electrician and an electrical engineer look over my system, but yes getting permission definitely improved it...
 
Nothing.
I wasn't indicting anyone, just asking how it got from there to here
My motivation is for an emergency, especially when the grid is out for over 2 days (in Summer time). I was living in New Orleans for 5 years, got direct hit by hurricane Zeta (2020) and Ida (2021). ROI? when you have no electricity for 9 days...this is priceless...
Plus I like to learn/build new stuff.
 
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Everything is a tradeoff. I just learned today that cement production actually accounts for more CO2 emissions than transportation/oil, so someone has come up with a way to produce cement that could actually be carbon negative if using carbon-neutral heating methods (the byproducts actually absorb carbon).
I’ve known this for a while about cement and yes someone is probably working on that. Let’s just hope it doesn’t end up like a lot of save the planet schemes that made someone rich and in the grand scheme of things was worse because it didn’t stand the test of time. MTBE for example. My favorite is Low VOC paint. The paint didn’t hold up, so more actually had to be used, plus efforts or chemicals to remove it, disposal, transportation costs involved (fuel used move labor). They can’t stand back and see the big picture of their consequences. The next big boondoggle is the next refrigerant requirement coming. Why the new stuff? Because it’s more carbon neutral to make the REFRIGERANT, not necessarily the rest of the system. So now you have to dispose of the old, make and install the new, transport it and all the labor(fuel) during manufacturing and installation. Oh and it’s highly flammable?‍?
Always Follow The Money

An insider I know has been hearing some grumbling about an official panel disposal agency and disposal tax on new panels sold as well as high disposal fees for California. Figures, they are looking for MONEY at both ends. I guess there’s no money to be made during panel disassembly if you’re forced to go after the small amount of precious metals without the extra initiative of government subsidies. The frame is a given, bash it out and the glass remnants will disappear later.

funny how “green” solar started out and now they are making it more difficult.
 
Perhaps everything plugged into the grid would be affected.

Sensitive electronics can be affected by EMP despite having very short antenna (wires.)
Some emergency responder radios were killed in tests, others weren't.

Electrical equipment in power grid is killed because low sub 1-Hz signal causes DC current, maybe 1A, saturating transformers so they no longer present much inductance. Power generators then deliver thousands of amps which burns them up.

If you isolated your home from the grid with a transformer, DC from power lines (assuming it even effects shorter 120/240V distribution lines enough to matter) would only kill the primary. Your loads on secondary side wouldn't see as much.

Surge arrestors might clamp the voltage induced locally by EMP/Carrington. Not sure; most are designed for microsecond kV spikes. May need something different to do a good job.

Yes kind of my thinking too.
a CME is more of a long wave compared to an EMP.
I think the EMP actually changes the properties of semiconductors
With the scale of todays electronics so small it mig be a bigger problem.

Longer wave, lower frequency will do a better job of putting DC in power lines and saturating transformers.

What changes semiconductors is ionizing radiation, especially neutrons. They are absorbed by nucleus, which then decays to something with a different number of protons. So they retain a different number of electrons in their shell, altering doping of semiconductor and transistor properties.

Also simply knocking off electrons turns on transistors. Imagine if the "H-bridge" of your inverter suddenly turns on both pull-up and pull-down transistors at the same time, shorting out your battery capable of delivering 20,000A. Logic can be protected from that (series resistor or inductor) but not power electronics.

I think, if you are far enough to survive EMP, signal reaching electronics will likely (may?) not be enough to damage it, except for some radios due to sensitive amplifier connected to antenna. Nearby lightning is something protections is sold for; need to determine if EMP is greater or less.

given that a Huge CME is coming is to Kill the Breakers, Pull the Meter out of the Socket and then remove PV Wiring to the Inverter and also disconnect the Inverter from the Batteries and Grid Side (Basically shut it all down and disconnect all the wiring to the Inverter).

I think turning off main breaker and shorting house wires to ground would be very good.
Install an interlocked "generator" breaker and let it do the grounding. Could double as generator inlet, fed with grounding cord.

Turning off branch breakers is good too, as that removes those stub antennas.
Unplug electronic appliances.
 
Sensitive electronics can be affected by EMP despite having very short antenna (wires.)
Some emergency responder radios were killed in tests, others weren't.

Electrical equipment in power grid is killed because low sub 1-Hz signal causes DC current, maybe 1A, saturating transformers so they no longer present much inductance. Power generators then deliver thousands of amps which burns them up.

If you isolated your home from the grid with a transformer, DC from power lines (assuming it even effects shorter 120/240V distribution lines enough to matter) would only kill the primary. Your loads on secondary side wouldn't see as much.

Surge arrestors might clamp the voltage induced locally by EMP/Carrington. Not sure; most are designed for microsecond kV spikes. May need something different to do a good job.



Longer wave, lower frequency will do a better job of putting DC in power lines and saturating transformers.

What changes semiconductors is ionizing radiation, especially neutrons. They are absorbed by nucleus, which then decays to something with a different number of protons. So they retain a different number of electrons in their shell, altering doping of semiconductor and transistor properties.

Also simply knocking off electrons turns on transistors. Imagine if the "H-bridge" of your inverter suddenly turns on both pull-up and pull-down transistors at the same time, shorting out your battery capable of delivering 20,000A. Logic can be protected from that (series resistor or inductor) but not power electronics.

I think, if you are far enough to survive EMP, signal reaching electronics will likely (may?) not be enough to damage it, except for some radios due to sensitive amplifier connected to antenna. Nearby lightning is something protections is sold for; need to determine if EMP is greater or less.



I think turning off main breaker and shorting house wires to ground would be very good.
Install an interlocked "generator" breaker and let it do the grounding. Could double as generator inlet, fed with grounding cord.

Turning off branch breakers is good too, as that removes those stub antennas.
Unplug electronic appliances.
Thank you so much for this!
 
so someone has come up with a way to produce cement that could actually be carbon negative if using carbon-neutral heating methods
That’s assuming that carbon is actually a real problem. We’ve come so far since 1970 but now I’m thinking “we” are climbing out of the deep end and jumping off a cliff.
You can't take the numbers and correlate them the way you've outlined
Exactly. It’s not that mysterious if you find out stuff yourself and don’t get opinions someplace else, either.
yes lived 20 miles off road (very bad road) in southern Oregon and he drove a VW bus to work everyday, charging the 12v battery in the process. When got home at night, he would remove the battery and use it for lighting in their house. Then he came upon a SOLAR panel and bought it. The rest is history
Does that make them hippies?!! I had several beetles and a bus, once…
My favorite is Low VOC paint. The paint didn’t hold up, so more actually had to be used
From stick it to the man hippy, to cede control of your own "stuff". This thread really struck a chord, and is an interesting, if not off the beaten path read. All of the reasons people use solar are on display, and it is fun to read. Thanks robstrom
That was extremely well-stated and succinct.
Yes, Let them eat cake!
I am curious if you know the origin context of that phrase because I’m not sure how to take that LOL
My favorite is Low VOC paint. The paint didn’t hold up, so more actually had to be used, plus efforts or chemicals to remove it, disposal, transportation costs involved
I have applied thousands of gallons of paint and sold coatings professionally. Other than losing its freeze protection and the mfgr’s needing to do better with tinting particle sizes I haven’t seen a problem with low/no VOC paint (although sometimes I do miss the sore throat and red eyes from cheap latex paint pre- “no voc” days). I’m not a ‘super greenie’ either.
funny how “green” solar started out and now they are making it more difficult.
Agree that’s unfortunate and disheartening. I sincerely question if solar was green at all when it was starting out. Imho
Imagine if the "H-bridge" of your inverter suddenly turns on both pull-up and pull-down transistors at the same time, shorting out your battery capable of delivering 20,000A. Logic can be protected from that (series resistor or inductor) but not power electronics.
…but the fuse would stop the pending fire, right?
 
I started this solar route a few years back. Well because the last power pole is 15 miles away from my spot in the woods.
Starting out with vacant land and an Rv to live in and a small honda 2000is to keep my batteries charged.
Put up 1200 w panel system and bank of 12v batteries so I did not have to listen to that generator run.

That has worked very well as I have built my living space then came the next step of a larger system with a heavy drain to the wallet. But if it finally works as it should, the pay back is silence and enjoying the sounds of nature.
Living like any normal human being without grid connections and paying them every month.

So yes this 70 year old dog has learned some new tricks.
 
I am curious if you know the origin context of that phrase because I’m not sure how to take that LOL

I thought it might refer to telling Alaskans to use photovoltaic rather than diesel generators or whale-oil lamps for their polar night.

…but the fuse would stop the pending fire, right?

Yes. But it might not be fast enough to save the transistors.
 
I’ve known this for a while about cement and yes someone is probably working on that. Let’s just hope it doesn’t end up like a lot of save the planet schemes that made someone rich and in the grand scheme of things was worse because it didn’t stand the test of time.

Adobe. Baked in the sun, and has stood the test of time.

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Average miles driven per year is about 14,263 miles. If EVs are going to replace gas cars, they will be driven the same way and distances.

A model 3 gets 4.56 miles per kWh

14263/4.56 = 3.1kWh or 3.1MWh/year. That's a 25-30% increase.

A mythical 4.56 IMHSHO :p! Yea you can get that a significant portion of the time, the car is pretty slick traveling thru the air, I've gotten over 5 for a "tank full" in the Kona, but your going to have to keep it under 50-60MPH to reliably get over 4. That being said, the model 3 is the best performing EV for mileage and range out there. Tesla has a tendancy to "hide" the efficiency numbers, in favor of keeping you informed on how far you can go before you need to plug in. I think this was a sound decision, they've done a fantastic job with their software thus far, and reducing "range anxiety". Tesla is also among the worst about inflating their efficiency numbers for real world driving, thus YMMV!

A large number of vehicles are fleet vehicles, (oh yea, ...) these are often larger, and get driven dramatically more. I think the Rivian and Lightning are rated around 2.3-2.4. They have larger battery packs, and are likely to have charging rates that exceed 9600W on AC. Oops! Double everything!

I predict it will be much worse than you think:
Our Ice SUV was x6 the cost per mile of the Kona EV. With the ICE we would limit trips to the city to a few per week (75km round trip) but with the super low cost of the EV, we don't think twice about making two trips or more in a single day. I can tell you the mileage on the EV is nearly double (per year) of our last ICE SUV because the operating costs are so much lower. A round trip in my 3/4 ton Ram is nearly $20, while making the run in the Kona (even paying utility-rates to charge it) is $1.40 Guess which one I take, if I can.

The net effect I will tell you, will be: people will drive more, Perhaps a lot more.
Imagine if that 14,263 miles average use goes to 30,000 per year.
It would be best if the infrastructure needed gets underway sooner than later.

This get's back to the Apples and Oranges. Comparing a tiny little Kona (I own one, this thing is SMALL) with a larger SUV like a RAV-4 or something even larger like a Cherokee or something is kind of silly. Comparing it to a RAM truck is way out there. My daughter has a Hybrid RAV-4, it sips fuel. A lot depends on your electric rates. In Chelmsford MA the average electric rate is 0.27/KWH. They put a Tesla system on their house, saves them quite a lot. It's been a while, but I did some calcs a while back about driving the 40MPG Hyundai Sonata PHEV hybrid I used to own, with $4.00/gal fuel, vs plugging in to get the 25 odd miles. The break even point was around 0.24/KWH, I could re-calc, but +- a few pennies. Piling on, some of the $4.00 is paying your local and state road taxes, that revenue will have to be made up somewhere.

I don't think in general it will effect the amount people drive. When gas prices fall people drive a bit more but it settles out, and it's not like twice as much.

I already addressed the average usage, and you are pretty much correct.

The "if everyone bought an EV tomorrow and charged at the same time" argument is a strawman. 40kWh/week equals around 4 hours of charging a week. I could calculate the probability of them all charging at once, but that would be silly.

Obviously there could be times (just as off-peak starts, for example) that might be more popular, but that could be fixed by just making the on/off peak times more dynamic. Do you really care if your car charges at 10PM or 1AM? Why not support setting a time range for charging and let the grid operator control exactly when?

See Also: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/car-insurance/car-ownership-statistics/

I don't believe it's a 'Strawman' argument. I will admit I was exaggerating with a worst case to make the point, but I'm not sure where your 40KWH is around 4 hours/week is coming from. Most EV's with 70K or lower packs charge at 32A/7600W That runs closer to 6 than 4: (40000/7600) * 1.1 = 5.7894. I do speak from experience, I actually have TWO EV's, I don't own an ICE. I know how long it takes, and there is some charging loss (~ 10%). To get 40KWH you are going to push 45 at the car for and they taper off a bit at the end.

Neither am I saying that steps/measures cannot be taken to mitigate draw with smarter EVSE's, It's just that though the technology exists, it has not been deployed at even a fraction of the scale that would be required. And even if the scenario is only HALF what I outlined, overall demand will soar. Again in places like here where the infrastructure is robust, and a vast majority of the housing is all-electric already it's not as tough, but Phoenix is a modern city with modern infrastructure. Not so much in the rest of the country. We will need to at least double the capacity of the grid to handle this. Unfortunately we cannot snap our fingers and make this happen.

This is a multi-variant problem. Running willy-nilly and forcing people and business to jump on EV's is very likely to be extremely disruptive. There are surely unintended consequences we have not even considered. Thus, a solar setup at home protects me from the idiots with their agenda's who want to cram this stuff down everyones throat. It ain't about green, it's about protecting myself from fools and do-gooders.
 
Comparing it to a RAM truck is way out there.
Missing the point: we make more trips with the EV because it has low operating costs. Full stop.
The Kona replaced a Mazda Tribute, and is smaller, but that is not what the discussion is about, @sunshine_eggo was showing the amount of charging required, if people "continue to drive 14,263 miles per year with an EV".
What I am pointing out, is the far lower operating costs can increase use of the EV because of the lower operating costs. I am not saying our Kona is equal capacity to a Ram 2500, I am saying we use the EV when is makes sense - ie I need to get to a store and buy a drill bit, so I take the lowest cost option suitable for the trip. Others will do so too.
If we assume people will drive the same average distance/yr with a car that is 15% of the per mile operating cost, and use this to estimate the required infrastructure needed for charging, we will likely under-estimate the required electrical needs.
 
My motivation is simple.
Money
Might be true for some but for me doesn't look like ROI is in my future. If I was grid-tied with no batteries sure. I figure equipment will have to be replaced at some point and I'll probably end up even. I don't have enough power outages to justify it but now that I have it...
 
Adobe. Baked in the sun, and has stood the test of time.

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I don't know where you're from, but adobe is very common in the desert southwest, and it absolutely doesn't stand the test of time. Adobe houses are a maintenance nightmare of it's not stabilized ... with something like portland cement. You're also not going to build large structures with adobe.

The interview that I listened to, the scientist initially started researching alternative cements, but then he started talking to the construction industry who said they wouldn't even consider alternatives. Building codes worldwide are built around specific formulations of concrete, and the cost and risk of using anything different dwarfs the cost of the concrete.

I don't know the name of the researcher or company, but apparently he found a way to extract calcium from rocks rather than limestone, so it doesn't change the formulation of the cement at all, it's just a better way of mining calcium.
 

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